From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 16:21:21 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0E610B180E for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 16:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it1-x133.google.com (mail-it1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B87797748C for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 16:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it1-x133.google.com with SMTP id e74-v6so1985661ita.2 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 09:21:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9ESKOX6UU+T613F+kxO3YUulh7v4el2l+t1kDe4JsJM=; b=AG3GFqptYCAL+mRUppbSVtfz2ylXcCJlal7dfBpIWSkQW4LSbCzMDpxcy6Dr6WO7KT 2UpyTLCiKTgl95IlryPr3WfD7+IcaMFIPqMR2w3dwX4aVC5a/oH+iMPLH7vArO924Zej Tyd01pUvhZ9MStEBZ/5qq9f08SvNAtycwL/OiSpIDaLRQjqSie7Vwozvo3tz5ZkFTQC8 dHyEPDjqJ2LAVLTVP1vfm+4nOcp4gEOS2rcSzvj94wXL7lP907GT+tAybYMq7OXP9Ft1 Ht47id9ub+xyPNGar3PGltbc2EoNsB0rRUS316TA6+n27Vn5fbCb1iXbL4HujpzyOZKK cObg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9ESKOX6UU+T613F+kxO3YUulh7v4el2l+t1kDe4JsJM=; b=i3hPRox2ktbvHTCEjtYd/wmSxT6UIOZ+MRR8Lai0E4sTV8tKXv9cGFXN9ZHBCXAUIP 7luPQ9XkQLkfktF21nUZ5m9XEzwcMIlHQ7Wl4BeA1QginH13+QJ0LhmgLJU6FHGc0p7G dISma/PDt5Z8istE27MB+1vDFdKfrG5p9aFEUN1RLlwHTa2P+MQcT2X+ER74NJKjtEz8 +M4vNeAFbNchmmsu79VoqZhPfbQSDK611JYOSGqTnu0MExVyRdf3/0/Jrlux9vmgwHIt RTu5hRX1RZW69dOKRHmc2RLB4p/6qT4Mg691EJ+HnGBwnRR+7MyL8GaFTTmdfj6KILW7 cqTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogdJhkOTNjM+ivWiLvBa9d4dSjBQz7/h4JbU116wxWud9TFtnsG lxTGa1Hes/7gLqEpmtqt7eQqyion1JStmKCbP6V/qw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61uIP6uHlXelil+bkWSFpCxB/oi2F+bCFR1krxvlAqTrEfCltxcYhed8fdxaL2Mm+H7jfuZY+YBE5pabQWuU74= X-Received: by 2002:a24:1c94:: with SMTP id c142-v6mr5640647itc.75.1538670080011; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 09:21:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <55a44e73-60ab-e386-360a-b0a0198a0e71@zyxst.net> <8878cac1-d5d2-4224-6aa5-85516db23c14@sorbs.net> In-Reply-To: <8878cac1-d5d2-4224-6aa5-85516db23c14@sorbs.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 10:21:08 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers To: michelle@sorbs.net Cc: tech-lists , Brooks Davis , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , FreeBSD Net , freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:21:21 -0000 On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 10:15 AM Michelle Sullivan wrote: > tech-lists wrote: > > > > I'm astonished you're considering removing rl given how common it is. > > > > I'll second that comment - though no disrespect to Brooks. Brooks as > far as I can see is just the messenger. > Absent good data, one has to make one's best guesses. I guessed wrong here in my comments to Brooks about which ones were must keeps. I knew it was popular back in the day (~2000), but had thought it's popularity had waned much more than it apparently has. I last deployed systems with rl in them around 2007, and at the time it was trailing edge gear (the SBCs we used at Timing Solutions tended to use popular, but ~5-year-old technology because that market segment wanted longevity of spare availability...). Warner