From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Sun Oct 9 20:22:27 2016 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1843C0B89F for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2016 20:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it0-x234.google.com (mail-it0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEDF1C9D for ; Sun, 9 Oct 2016 20:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it0-x234.google.com with SMTP id z65so53467856itc.0 for ; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 13:22:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qsRPrlTsaVszUl9VeqUoAftNDiSu5rdazUwU8tka2Gw=; b=MkH+bJd3UtNZteJ9oDwRF+quUHNfqoCyRXXHyooSv/OgIuh8U75T2av/UWRYcyUfKG DIp4jXumcsaeLuM49MT6iyi8Xe/J5tqsAARAuYwmjUOZx+70ykWlg9dl5V33jMiKKiCd D5+/B38PoYb4/byrOJMDZpgUkviDwH1UNR+7LhFudlmE+w5h/ymEG+GwD2UbvHJy+H7/ gR0//RJz9la0KwKdjA2EyoSxDmAaBPFkSClCxkPj18Bed2Oyhi55LeFdZP1iE36Q9Hlk NMGN5YD0BXumYXHiWljNvDnIvwcqnFRwl229OaWp9GpfcpUJkBJ33fU/5fwpjN0cdvKe 5RtA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qsRPrlTsaVszUl9VeqUoAftNDiSu5rdazUwU8tka2Gw=; b=jFn61HunXekgrWgFFTeJUYMj7sB6HWPqWBpadzYzJNEx0n6GhL93aNVzQ1u8FtWkA2 iEciv8dmgLOVVag9u14jQuFlsTvCg/vfT+g4XDIerlV4eAW90+wTfkr5ZQzvhfGqbMne u9cAIf+Tx3WGhZAHpXU50eyUoa7ZEe24AW5IYLdCgdRnDwK1Qj7LalHt0yaUlttx2djq 2zIdri+OlW5OlhSun9B4o74Xc165KqiZw1DIo3kDhh2xVeayOkVZW8Kcg+eWyrbN+NOv BZQ2KxlbiRQfhua/JTQEeFpZ8P/gotkEeAaJeN3YJ7pqHaGh2zcHeYr0F/r9527BodDh aXBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9Rm5tHJsqVinLJA8qv/U818l8i5l521qKnKZO5WzAKjryBrjOQtgTtnO+TI9W2z4swOqFneuXf1qpBS0wg== X-Received: by 10.36.89.206 with SMTP id p197mr6788582itb.103.1476044546912; Sun, 09 Oct 2016 13:22:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: wlosh@bsdimp.com Received: by 10.79.77.85 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Oct 2016 13:22:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [50.253.99.174] In-Reply-To: <20161009065423.GA2012@c720-r292778-amd64> References: <53bca4d2-975f-f4a0-d12a-5d73fba01a0c@FreeBSD.org> <20161006044732.GA2393@c720-r292778-amd64.oa.oclc.org> <734c7ac0-9018-051e-1df4-a3b719057e19@FreeBSD.org> <773efe54-8ebb-e0e7-7824-10cfaa96d850@FreeBSD.org> <1EE0A2F3-86B9-4806-875E-3845A209A743@freebsd.org> <20161008180742.GA1912@c720-r292778-amd64> <846bf31f-a757-2be0-a293-8c4ce3d42a2f@FreeBSD.org> <20161009015324.007a7b42@bsd64.grem.de> <20161009065423.GA2012@c720-r292778-amd64> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 14:22:26 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4YL97h7T7u-58MM2ig4uYYyo-XE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [request for testing] isl, cyapa on chromebooks To: Matthias Apitz , Michael Gmelin , Warner Losh , Andriy Gapon , FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2016 20:22:28 -0000 On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > El d=C3=ADa Sunday, October 09, 2016 a las 01:53:24AM +0200, Michael Gmel= in escribi=C3=B3: > >> Would I maybe make sense to have man pages for specific laptops (instead >> of the "FreeBSD Laptop" page, blogs on the internet and Wiki pages). >> >> Just thinking that after this change, people will need to know the >> correct addresses for device.hints to make isl and cyapa work, and >> putting things like that (and other hints, e.g. to route the Intel HDA >> correctly) into a man page ("apropos c720") would be the next best >> thing to having it work out of the box. > > Good idea. The problem with such an approach is, that new laptops get > only inserted into man pages when some maintainer/approver does so and > seldom if someone brings a new device to working (more or less) with > FreeBSD. > > In the past (some 15 years ago) there was a database and a web frotnend > where people (everyone) could insert/update a new working device. It was > here: http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/ but the site is offline for > many year. I even tried and contacted the provide of 'bsdgroup.de' to > get a copy of the database, w/o any luck. There seems to be enough information present in the smbios data to know what devices are at what addresses. Perhaps we should use it as much as possible in well controlled situations to move this knowledge into the OS. Now, where did I put the power supply to my chromebook... Warner