From owner-freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Wed Jan 29 21:42:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75521F8336; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:42:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487H5T3MBXz4FJy; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:42:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id 00TLgWBF066162; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:42:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id 00TLgV9N066161; Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:42:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <202001292142.00TLgV9N066161@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 In-Reply-To: <84926.1580333803@critter.freebsd.dk> To: Poul-Henning Kamp Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:42:31 -0800 (PST) CC: Emmanuel Vadot , Paul Mather , Robert Clausecker , freebsd-arm , freebsd-arch X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 487H5T3MBXz4FJy X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net has no SPF policy when checking 69.59.192.140) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.47 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.21)[-0.213,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dnsmgr.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.75)[0.748,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13868, ipnet:69.59.192.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.03)[ip: (0.13), ipnet: 69.59.192.0/19(0.07), asn: 13868(0.02), country: US(-0.05)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 21:42:38 -0000 > -------- > In message <20200129222907.3ccaf4c23fe8509e3f9cdfe4@bidouilliste.net>, Emmanuel Vadot writes: > > >> RPi's are a LOT easier to get hold of for hackers and in particular > >> for educators. > > > > In what way ? > > Real answer only. > > 1. Schools can get them through their usual suppliers of educational > material, with a pretty decent discount, and with educational > courses and materials, pretty much ready to go. As a bonus data point I have seen RPI's in vending machines at universities that have engineering departments. Thats just how "commidity" these items are in the educational world. > 2. Most "maker-space" atuned electronics pushers carry them. > > 3. Big electronics pushers carry them. You can walk into a Frys and walk out with one! > > In re 1-3: No customs processing of shipment involved. :-) > 4. Cost, including shipping is below "trivial" threshold in most > organizations. Yep. I have no problem if some want to ignore RPI*, but as Poul says FreeBSD does so at its own peril. If its a man power thing lets find it or make it! > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org