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Date:      Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:21:58 -0700
From:      Warner Losh <imp@harmony.village.org>
To:        Peter Wemm <peter@netplex.com.au>
Cc:        Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@ofug.org>, Daniel Eischen <eischen@vigrid.com>, John Indra <john@office.naver.co.id>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Patch for FILE problems (was Re: -CURRENT is bad for me...) 
Message-ID:  <200102130121.f1D1LwW33639@harmony.village.org>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:05:36 PST." <200102130105.f1D15aU56009@mobile.wemm.org> 
References:  <200102130105.f1D15aU56009@mobile.wemm.org>  

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In message <200102130105.f1D15aU56009@mobile.wemm.org> Peter Wemm writes:
: Personally, I think we place far too much weight on the major number thing.
: I think we should be allowed to bump it when the alternative is 'major pain'
: to developers.

The more I think about this, the more that I think that you are right.
I'd go farther and also say that we won't produce a
libcompat/libc.so.5.uu or any other "current only" libc versions.

: I also object to hacking around like this.  I would far prefer that we fix
: it properly.  We *need* to be able to innovate, especially with locking in
: libc in 5.x.  I suspect we will have major events like this several more
: times before 5.0-R when we add in hooks for KSE or rfork threading.

And that's the argument that tipped me over from hacking around it...

: http://people.freebsd.org/~peter/stdio.diff3

That looks good.  I especially like the coupling of the std* changes
to the new major version.  I've killed my other build and will try to
build this one.

: Lets commit that and get on with life.  Existing binaries will just keep
: on running.
: 
: And if we dont ship libc.so.5, in 5.0-R, then *so what*?

I'd like to see a bias against major bumps remain in place, but I
think that this change requires one.  That is, we still don't
generally bump major verions, but are allowed to when the pain is
major.

Warner


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