From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 17:04:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C602A16A4CE for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:04:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from amex.cox.smu.edu (amex.cox.smu.edu [129.119.81.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41B6C43D5A for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:04:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from JimiT@mail.cox.smu.edu) Received: from exch4.cox.smu.edu (exch4.cox.smu.edu [129.119.81.26]) by amex.cox.smu.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j2HH1h4F000988 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:01:43 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:04:04 -0600 Message-ID: <4B3F673172B98D449EBCC3BE8316F52405969332@exch4.elcsb.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stupid ASCII loader prompt Thread-Index: AcUrDofK0xjgRNpOTKSdkhITkL4yRgAAOFjQ From: "Thompson, Jimi" To: Subject: RE: Stupid ASCII loader prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:04:05 -0000 =20 > > What I think is going to end up happening if they do get a decent logo > out of this contest, is that ultimately your going to see the new logo > used in a few places here and there on the Internet, and your going to > see beastie used at most other places. It will simply present more=20 > confusion to non-FreeBSD users if it does anything at all. Most=20 > likely it will do nothing at all, in the same way that GM for example=20 > uses multiple brands for the same iron. Personally, I find the suggestion that we remove the daemon as the logo to be religiously offensive. The gods of the old religion always become the evil of the new religion. If you're so worried about formulating a "poltically correct" response to the daemon, the be concerned about the politicial correctness of violing MY religious freedom. =20 Frankly, I find that most religious people are all about removing religious references UNTIL the point at which you go to remove references to their religion. If the logo was a cross, the christians would be irate about having it removed. If the logo was star of david, the jews would be irate about having it removed. If the logo was cresent moon, the islamic element would be irate about having it removed. However, each group would rejoice if another group's icon was removed as the logo. =20 People's arugments about what name you should call your god are the poorest excuse I've ever seen for most of the ills that befall humanity. Any right thinking individual realizes that 1) not everyone is going to agree with you and 2) true conversion does not come with the use of force. If your version of god is so totally awesome and your faith is so great in what you believe and you aren't afraid of being converted, why do you feel the need to try to supress everyone else? Now, from a marketing perspective, FreeBSD could do worse than Beastie. The fact that he is some what controversial generates a significant amount of publicity. Any marketing wonk will tell you that ANY publicity is good and free publicity is the best kind. 6 months later, people don't remember WHAT was said but they do recognize the name. All of it serves to build the brand. =20 I see changing the logo as an act of cowardice because you are giving in to the religious right who have their own agenda which involves dominating everyone's ideas about religion. I would urge the FreeBSD community to stick to their guns and take a stand for religious freedom for everyone. You have a right to your logo. It's been your logo for 20 years and no bunch of religious bigots should be able to make you change it. I'm not saying that they have to agree with you, but they don't have the right to force you to change. 2 cents, Jimi =20 =20