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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 106fe769a15a9721ed3d19f753bdb398; Sun, 01 Sep 2024 05:43:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_927BC71B-ABF0-4177-B643-CE22FCE81045" List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to ARM processors List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arm List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51\)) Subject: Does https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ need an update for armv6? Message-Id: <3F73BC2D-41FA-4667-834B-8D5B49ACD428@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2024 22:43:46 -0700 Cc: Philip Paeps , Antoine Brodin To: FreeBSD ARM List , Warner Losh X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51) References: <3F73BC2D-41FA-4667-834B-8D5B49ACD428.ref@yahoo.com> X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[9]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.69.84:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-arm@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.69.84:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WxLRS5X8cz4cS3 --Apple-Mail=_927BC71B-ABF0-4177-B643-CE22FCE81045 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I CC'd Philip Paeps and Antoine Brodin because the answers for the below probably dictate the handling of the armv6 (qemu based) jails on various beefy*'s being deletion vs. updating-the-worlds for during next round of updates. (Why update or keep jails that are not being used?) https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ indicates that armv6 is "Tier 2" in = the "13.x" column. But armv6's most recent package building attempt of any kind was for 132releng-armv6-quarterly on beefy8 starting at Thu, 05 Oct 2023 02:37:41 GMT. (It crashed.) There are no attempted armv6 or later builds for 13.3+ RELEASE builds after that. (I only see public information published by the machines.) Even "21.2.4 Unsupported Architectures" ( https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/committers-guide/#archs ) says: "Note that ports support should remain as long as the platform is = supported in a branch supported by ports." armv6 no longer does so for 13.3+ (supposed Tier 2) or 14.0+ (supposed Tier 3). I'd expect that the evidence against qemu based support being sufficient = for building armv6 package reliably --or being likely to in any sort of = timely manor-- is probably sufficient justification for official = reclassification, even if stable/13 and stable/14 system builds for tinderbox are still = operational for armv6. May be this note is appropriate for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org = too/instead? Side notes: I'll note that I'm not referencing armv7 here. I expect that the = problems in recent months for the ampere2 based main-armv7-default package-build activity will prove to have been fixed at the next round of updating the world version in each of the armv7 jails on ampere2. A bug was found and fixed for this for main (avoiding recursive locking) and the armv7 jails = look like they will soon be updated. As I understand, these jail updates are normally Antoine Brodin related activity. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com --Apple-Mail=_927BC71B-ABF0-4177-B643-CE22FCE81045 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I CC'd Philip = Paeps and Antoine Brodin because the answers for = the
below probably dictate the handling of the armv6 = (qemu based) jails
on various beefy*'s being deletion = vs. updating-the-worlds for during
next round of = updates. (Why update or keep jails that are not = being
used?)

https://www.freebsd.org/platfo= rms/ indicates that armv6 is "Tier 2" in the
"13.x" = column.

But armv6's most recent package = building attempt of any kind was for
132releng-armv6-quarterly = on beefy8 starting at Thu, 05 Oct = 2023
02:37:41 GMT. (It = crashed.) There are no attempted armv6 or later builds
for = 13.3+ RELEASE builds after that.  (I only see public = information
published by the = machines.)

Even "21.2.4 Unsupported = Architectures"

"Note that ports support should remain as = long as the platform is supported
in a branch supported by = ports."

armv6 no longer does so for 13.3+ = (supposed Tier 2) or 14.0+ (supposed
Tier = 3).

I'd expect that the evidence against qemu = based support being sufficient for
building armv6 package = reliably --or being likely to in any sort of timely
manor-- is = probably sufficient justification for official reclassification, = even
if stable/13 and stable/14 system builds for tinderbox = are still operational
for armv6.

May = be this note is appropriate for freebsd-arch@freebsd.org = ;too/instead?


Side = notes:

I'll note that I'm not referencing armv7 = here. I expect that the problems in
recent months for the = ampere2 based main-armv7-default package-build
activity will = prove to have been fixed at the next round of updating = the
world version in each of the armv7 jails on ampere2. A bug = was found and
fixed for this for main (avoiding recursive = locking) and the armv7 jails look
like they will soon be = updated. As I understand, these jail updates = are
normally Antoine Brodin related = activity.

=3D=3D=3D
Mark = Millard
marklmi at = yahoo.com

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