From owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org Thu Oct 4 12:58:59 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868C610A95BC for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-it1-x12b.google.com (mail-it1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E0DF953D8 for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2018 12:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-it1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id p64-v6so13854351itp.0 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 05:58:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BKTL4xuvcMBz4CQ2fA7FexX9P6hdEJMlWtmrnncI5Dg=; b=zczaN9fQVrFKbj6tugKh7CyQfZQ2hebFgp8LJ6rkr0NX7IxOuPxFD+n6GpqOdOKofY yupIdKpCBS1MdSbGC3DlhflCJhR4M4HA53/dg2iBqePvWDcJMmHNVZI59TOzST/Pc6P3 r0ap6aVhc69JNuKf9NDehCVj2QDR6L+4Dcd531Pf6nFRSNQEFGFleHuIIEdGqdL44VGh AyC/iAnTJ37Z+WkzRvc6+GdOhu4LszSeS+lk01V+Sj9QOtDubcz8riRZVEohFsEhr8vr /tmXuJCEGKAyV72MinmmA2Mq6fAH3t0OxrGmD3dF2oKQ0lgeHRylwSgi3QcB3gW29RAe pOyQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BKTL4xuvcMBz4CQ2fA7FexX9P6hdEJMlWtmrnncI5Dg=; b=DYIc2/plLQKwHEWITqRILzSMEuToLFQcpMZ1+RL179h11Ao9xRdTK5GnLc7QI3ZyHo ko7qDPkNGUCgWkWhXleovUTdRR3esLfj1RLk4YQcLFjMHB/heO2gSBZr5IwhcWcsrLrD 8zHqkAGa13CCnoh4QFohsu72Fc50Vgh6odomS4be91rJydFXhmBuYCBpzqNZcl0G9fpG Wak5zBoerum1V2LLejFJrxsIrJYj4Ity3C2i8rpjKUEs0f++fueZnAN1qyUQDLCL2Fpm ps/gzPPSARmngffHvroYcnc8gJpL4xLbbPcTrAKpql2Vuyh1ZWA03p8tkT9DNYI08TWF 7sXA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoiV3R4E9wthJ6wqBc/VlxK3ufDi1Qrr77x5KE2ATMFuCtBqTAfw hf3RKwjS1Y+sI0dhM21mSwc6t4zTkfXyevwROaUM4L7k X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61pi0fpl6iGGNnk8fsK1Cb6rS0EP2Ix7tsQbpGYbSajXL8/Wp/44XhhFTPEiIx7EJlIiarmxsyul7UDhPknNyg= X-Received: by 2002:a24:1c94:: with SMTP id c142-v6mr4870923itc.75.1538657938275; Thu, 04 Oct 2018 05:58:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181003210516.GA71565@spindle.one-eyed-alien.net> <45c44128-85cb-5b4c-3af3-cbdf1560c9be@grosbein.net> <42Qt573dbmz1ftWT@baobab.bilink.it> In-Reply-To: <42Qt573dbmz1ftWT@baobab.bilink.it> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 06:58:47 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers To: luciano@vespaperitivo.it Cc: FreeBSD Net , "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.27 X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2018 12:58:59 -0000 On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 6:53 AM Luciano Mannucci wrote: > On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 13:03:01 +0700 > Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > The current list of drivers that will STAY in the tree is: > > > > > > dc, ffec, fxpl, hme, le, sis, vr, xl > > > > "fxpl" should have been "fxp" here, I suppose. > Yes. > > While I have no objection for general direction, I have doubts about > removal > > of ste(4) and especially rl(4). These are cheap 100Mbit VERY popular NICs > > sold in enourmous values in certain markets by vendors like D-Link and > > TP-Link using various trade names. > Enough people are using rl that it's off the list by my count. > > Lack of support for such popular 100M cards won't be good for FreeBSD, I > > suppose. > > I have a lot of them in production systems. It would be a pity that they > will never get a 12.x or newer version ever. I can replace few de cards > but not everything... > To be clear, the proposal is that 12.x be the last branch they are supported in and not in 13. So while we'd remove them from current soon, they'd still be in 12 for the life of the 12.x branch, so into the early 2020's. Warner