From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 26 01:51:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447CD1065675 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:51:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nwhitehorn@freebsd.org) Received: from agogare.doit.wisc.edu (agogare.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149618FC1A for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:51:42 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) id <0LOX00A003U67D00@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for freebsd-current@freebsd.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:51:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from comporellon.tachypleus.net ([unknown] [76.210.68.180]) by smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0LOX002M23U4C510@smtpauth2.wiscmail.wisc.edu>; Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:51:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 20:51:40 -0500 From: Nathan Whitehorn In-reply-to: To: vadim_nuclight@mail.ru Message-id: <4E2E1DAC.9030906@freebsd.org> X-Spam-Report: AuthenticatedSender=yes, SenderIP=76.210.68.180 X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-9, Version=5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2011.7.26.14515, SenderIP=76.210.68.180 References: <20110724162937.33865zm0kn4ztdwk@econet.encontacto.net> <4E2C8FBE.7040003@freebsd.org> <4E2CA4A7.7020100@fuzzwad.org> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110704 Thunderbird/5.0 Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 01:51:43 -0000 On 07/25/11 18:12, Vadim Goncharov wrote: > Hi Freddie Cash! > > On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 22:01:44 -0700; Freddie Cash wrote about 'Re: Trying to install current from a memory stick and then a DVD and got a new and strange installer.': > >>> 3) I see no "post-install" uses on the new one. Sysinstall could be used >> on an up-and-running system to do everything from adding a user to changing >> a nameserver and more. >> Thank goodness. The worst thing about sysinstall was that it tried to be a >> Swiss Army knife doing everything, yet not doing any one thing well. It made >> a royal mess of rc.conf if you tried to use it to configure a system. >> Usually the first time someone mentions they use it for post-install >> configuration, the recommendation is to stop doing that! >> An os installer should do just that: install the os and nothing else. > No. That's wrong. An installer should make a usable system. While using > sysinstall for configuration multiple times made a mess, it is still needed > to make configuration the _first time_ - and it really did, without any mess. > You've got a working keyboard, TTY, network, users/passwords, etc. - before > reboot. This is something which must be intuitive for a new user, even if > it is used only one time in the system's life (at the installation). Cutting > it - is a regression. > That all works perfectly fine. The issue is whether it is useful for post-install configuration, which is something different entirely. -Nathan