From owner-freebsd-hackers Tue Feb 21 16:32:50 1995 Return-Path: hackers-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA19550 for hackers-outgoing; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:32:50 -0800 Received: from violet.berkeley.edu (violet.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA19542 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:32:47 -0800 Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.6.8/1.33r) id QAA03890; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:32:24 -0800 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:32:24 -0800 From: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu (Jordan K. Hubbard) Message-Id: <199502220032.QAA03890@violet.berkeley.edu> To: hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: FYI.. Sender: hackers-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Path: agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!rochester!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!cgd From: cgd@cs.cmu.edu (Chris G. Demetriou) Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd,comp.sys.dec Subject: Announcing the release of NetBSD/Alpha Followup-To: comp.unix.bsd Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:51:50 GMT Organization: Kernel Hackers 'r' Us Lines: 223 Message-ID: <3idg8m$kbv@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lagavulin.pdl.cs.cmu.edu Summary: NetBSD/Alpha, freely distributable BSD system for AXP, available Keywords: NetBSD, Alpha, AXP, Flamingo, 64-bit, Cool Xref: agate comp.unix.bsd:18694 comp.sys.dec:30711 I'm pleased to (finally) announce the release of NetBSD/Alpha. As some of you may know, NetBSD is a freely-available and freely- redistributable BSD-derived system that runs on a variety of hardware platforms, including i386's, Amigas, SPARCs, and DECstations. The Alpha port is unique, because it's the first port of NetBSD to a 64-bit architecture. The Alpha port of NetBSD is a true 64-bit port: pointers and longs are 64 bits. This involved a _LOT_ of changes to "machine-independent" kernel, and to many of the user-land programs. So, some details on the status of the port, and a list of supported hardware: The port is self-hosting; it is stable enough to build all of its constituent binaries (including GCC and the rest of the tool chain) many times over. I've seen uptimes of more than a week, with multiple compiles going 24 hours a day. It is in "production use" for its own development, and will soon be in use by computer science researchers. It's _not_ simply a kernel hacker's toy at this point. Lots of things still don't work properly. In particular, a lot of (poorly-written) user-land programs don't work. As far as I'm aware, however, there are no found-but-yet-unfixed bugs in the libraries, which makes getting programs working a bit easier. Unfortunately, at this time, GDB isn't capable of actually debugging programs (though it is good for disassembling them, if you know where they crashed). It's worth noting that the internet protocol suite works well (and, indeed, I do most of my work remotedly logged in), and the SunRPC library also works. (Both required serious modifications to make them work with 64 bit pointers and longs.) Because formatting the manual pages would have required making g++ and groff work, there are no formatted man pages included and there's no easy way to format them. If you need the manual pages, I'd suggest that you look on another NetBSD system. If you absolutely can't do that, OSF/1 manual pages should be OK for most tasks. There's rudimentary support for running OSF/1 binaries, which I originally used when bootstrapping the system. However, it is only capable of running statically linked binaries, so it's not very useful except for bootstrapping. It's hoped that eventually we'll be able to run dynamically-linked OSF/1 binaries. (If you wish to work on this, please get in touch with me!) NetBSD/Alpha can safely read and write OSF/1 (v2.0; I would guess v1.x and v3.x as well) file systems (assuming you don't have OSF/1's security features enabled). Additionally, the NetBSD/Alpha disklabel format is compatible with OSF/1's. Supported hardware: DEC 3000/[456789]00 (I've only tested it on the 400 and 600, but the rest should "just work) using the following peripherals: Serial ports -- barely; the serial driver needs a lot of help and is not useful for many complex tasks. LANCE ethernet -- only the on-board model; I've not tried any TurboChannel boards, and didn't write complete support for them into the driver. SCSI system -- it recognizes and can use both on-board SCSI controller chips. However, it has trouble working with both at the same time. At this time neither the Smart Frame Buffer nor the ISDN/Audio interface is supported. Unfortunately, at this time none of the following systems are supported: DEC 3000/300s (these shouldn't be too much work) AlphaPCs -- the EISA-bus Alpha systems AlphaStations -- the PCI-bus Alpha systems The Futurebus-based Alpha server systems The multiprocessor Alpha systems Obtaining NetBSD/Alpha sources and binaries: This release is being made in two parts, source and binary. The source distribution is a gzipped tar file containing all of the sources used to build the system, including the compiler and user-land sources. (Most of the kernel and user-land changes have made it back into the NetBSD source tree. Many have not, however, and the compiler shipped with NetBSD doesn't work on the Alpha; if you're using NetBSD on the Alpha, you _need_ my source distribution.) The binary distribution is a gzipped disk image from an rz25 disk; it's approximately 406M ungzipped (63M gzipped), and you install it by dd'ing it on to a raw disk; more on this later. If you wish to obtain the source or binaries for the NetBSD/Alpha distribution, send me (cgd@cs.cmu.edu) mail, and I'll arrange to get them to you. They're sufficiently large that I've not yet found an FTP site for them, and also, given the preliminary nature of this distribution, I want to keep in close contact with the people who are using them. If you are interested in the NetBSD/Alpha port, I suggest that you subscribe to the NetBSD "port-alpha" mailing list by sending an email message to majordomo@netbsd.org with no subject and with a body of "subscribe port-alpha" (without the quotes). For help on using majordomo, send it mail with an empty subject and body. Installing the NetBSD/Alpha distribution: [ Note that these instructions are minimal; it's assumed that if you're going to be installing this, you're knowledgeable about booting Alphas and doing other sysadmin-ish stuff, are willing to look in your Alpha documentation, or are brave. If they're really not good enough to get you running, get in touch with me and I'll try to help you. ] To install the NetBSD/Alpha distribution, you'll need a disk at least the size of an RZ25 -- about 406Mb. Once you've gotten the binary distribution from me, gunzip it and dd it to the raw disk. The binary distribution includes a disklabel and boot block, so you don't need to do anything special to make it bootable. I created the binary distribution's file systems with an older version (4.3 Reno) of the Berkeley Fast File System format, so that you can mount, read, and write them under OSF/1. Once you've dd'd the image to the disk, set your system to use a serial console. Boot the Alpha with the NetBSD disk, supplying the boot flag "-s". It should print something about "NetBSD/Alpha Boot program", load the kernel, print a copyright, and print various startup messages. Included among those startup messages will be SCSI bus/id to device name mappings for all of the SCSI devices that NetBSD recognizes. Eventually, it'll ask you for the name of the root device. It expects something like "sd0", "sd1", etc., and you should pick the name that corresponds to the NetBSD disk. After a short while, you should be asked for the name of a shell to use; just hit return. You're advised to fsck the disk at this point (the root partition is partition 'a' and the /usr partition is partition 'd'), remount the root partition read-write (use mount -u root-dev /), and create some necessary system information files: /etc/hosts /etc/resolv.conf (if you want to use DNS) /etc/myname (the hostname of the machine) /etc/mygate (the LAN's gateway's IP address, if your network setup requires that it be named explicitly) /etc/hostname.le0 (to describe the enet addr, etc., for the Alpha's ethernet. The format can be discerned by looking in /etc/netstart. As an example, for my development machine, it's: inet macallan.dssc.cs.cmu.edu 0xffff0000 128.2.255.255 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^hostname ^^^netmask ^^^broadcast) /etc/fstab (a prototype is in /etc/fstab.sd) (You can also create the files mentioned above by mounting the disk's file systems under OSF/1 and filling in the appropriate information.) Once those files are created, you should be able to boot the system multi-user. To do so, halt the system and boot again from the NetBSD disk, this time supplying the boot flags "-a". Once the system has booted, you should be able to log in over the network. (Log in as root, at first, then use vipw to create user account(s) and re-log in as the appropriate user.) If you used a disk other than an RZ25, you may also want to edit the disk's disklabel, and create one or more partitions to use the extra space. Using NetBSD/Alpha: You'll probably want to NFS mount the sources from another machine; that's what I do, and it works just fine. If you'd like tips on good ways to keep the NetBSD sources under source control, just ask. A fair number of binaries don't work properly. For example: GDB won't properly run programs or debug core files; someone needs to write support for NetBSD/Alpha. diff dumps core if there are differences in the files being compared (but it _doesn't_ dump core if they're the same!) ps and w don't work properly, for several reasons: (a) they don't know how to read an ECOFF binary's namelist, so can't find the addresses of things in core (b) I've thus far been lazy, and didn't bother creating some of the necessary entries in the device switches (e.g. /dev/drum), because I knew nothing could use them because of (a) anyway... As noted above, the SCSI code is reliable only when being used with one SCSI bus at a time; this is obviously a bug. Additionally, the SCSI driver seems unhappy about dealing with certain types of disk drives (e.g. the IBM Lightning). I don't know why these problems exist yet, but it's worth noting that somebody's in the process of rewriting the 53c94 chip support from the ground up because the current support is "somewhat lacking." (This should solve at least the latter problem.) Because I've been working on getting the system up and running, then out the door, I've not had much time to do performance analysis on the kernel, nor tried to improve performance in any way. Some of the code is awfully rough. That being said, on a lot of operations I'm seeing performance comparable to that of OSF/1 on the same hardware, so I've not gone too far wrong anywhere. I've run 'paranoia' on NetBSD/Alpha, and it reports one defect (the same result as for OSF/1). Thanks to: Carnegie Mellon University, for funding for this project. Keith Bostic, for writing and/or working on a large chunk of the code, and for general moral corruption and good humor. Kirk McKusick, for being the Final Arbiter of Taste and Style. Jeff Mogul, for providing moral support, documentation, and pointers thereto. Various people working on NetBSD, for suggestions, sanity checking, drivers, etc. Whoever I'm forgetting, for things that I don't remember right now. That's it for now; get in touch if you'd like to get copies of the software and/or would like to contribute to the development effort. I'll be sending out status reports to various places (probably including the place(s) you saw this announcement) as things progress. Chris Demetriou cgd@cs.cmu.edu