From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 03:22:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4767616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735F543D4C for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 03:22:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) hBLBM0Z6027350 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:22:00 GMT (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)id hBLBM0P5027349; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:22:00 GMT (envelope-from matthew) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:22:00 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman To: Trey Sizemore Message-ID: <20031221112200.GA27086@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Trey Sizemore , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3FE51DE3.9020807@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FE51DE3.9020807@fastmail.fm> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.61 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Initial install (packages vs. ports) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:22:13 -0000 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 11:13:23PM -0500, Trey Sizemore wrote: > Just for clarification... >=20 > The trade off I see with installing from CD vs. doing a minimal install= =20 > is that when it comes time to upgrade it will cause more issues. >=20 > By this I mean that if I do a minimal install and then later install=20 > from ports it will be more seamless than installing first from packages= =20 > (like KDE, for example) and then trying to upgrade with ports later. >=20 > Certainly packages from the CD would be installed quicker than having to= =20 > build from ports, but at the cost of future upgrades. Actually, you'll be pleased to hear this is completely false. pkgs and ports are closely related and there's no problem in installing a package and then updating it via ports or vice versa. portupgrade(1) even has the handy -P option to make that sort of thing easier. A pkg is nothing more than the result of compiling a port, bundled up in a tar ball and with a few extra bits'n'bobs to help keep the administrivia in line. You can build your own packages from the ports tree simply by typing 'make package' in the appropriate port directory -- although this will also install the port on your system. There are other reasons for doing a minimal install -- generally when I'm installing a box, I usually want to jump to the latest -STABLE rather than the -RELEASE version from the CDs, so I tend to do a minimal install from CD, grab the cvsup-without-gui package off the CDs or the 'net and from there grab the latest sources into an empty /usr/src and start building. Similar treatment for ports -- instead of installing the ports tree from CD, I find it's easier to just cvsup(1) the whole tree starting with an empty directory. This works well if you have a decent amount of bandwith, and it avoids the 'adopt the ports tree into cvsup' problem as described in: http://www.cvsup.org/faq.html#caniadopt http://www.cvsup.org/faq.html#adopt Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/5YJYdtESqEQa7a0RAo0lAKCBAhLcAuhWoF+J0xyTuBVxtNxWqgCeMwM4 C3aFKS7biOxqkYCecsJVlDQ= =4Wf+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7--