From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 17 17:13:36 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AEC16A4CE for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:13:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D5343D1F for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:13:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ringworm01@gmail.com) Received: from ringworm.mechee.com ([4.27.46.32])0.04 <0IDI00K84AIJ4DB0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:13:35 -0600 (CST) Received: by ringworm.mechee.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 25EF12CE776; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:13:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 09:13:30 -0800 From: "Michael C. Shultz" In-reply-to: <4B3F673172B98D449EBCC3BE8316F52405969332@exch4.elcsb.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <200503170913.30752.ringworm01@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <4B3F673172B98D449EBCC3BE8316F52405969332@exch4.elcsb.net> User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 Subject: Re: Stupid ASCII loader prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 17:13:36 -0000 On Thursday 17 March 2005 09:04 am, Thompson, Jimi wrote: > > > > What I think is going to end up happening if they do get a decent > > logo > > > > out of this contest, is that ultimately your going to see the new > > logo > > > > used in a few places here and there on the Internet, and your going > > to > > > > see beastie used at most other places. It will simply present more > > confusion to non-FreeBSD users if it does anything at all. Most > > likely it will do nothing at all, in the same way that GM for > > example uses multiple brands for the same iron. > > > > Personally, I find the suggestion that we remove the daemon as the > logo to be religiously offensive. The gods of the old religion > always become the evil of the new religion. If you're so worried > about formulating a "poltically correct" response to the daemon, the > be concerned about the politicial correctness of violing MY religious > freedom. > > Frankly, I find that most religious people are all about removing > religious references UNTIL the point at which you go to remove > references to their religion. If the logo was a cross, the > christians would be irate about having it removed. If the logo was > star of david, the jews would be irate about having it removed. If > the logo was cresent moon, the islamic element would be irate about > having it removed. However, each group would rejoice if another > group's icon was removed as the logo. > > People's arugments about what name you should call your god are the > poorest excuse I've ever seen for most of the ills that befall > humanity. Any right thinking individual realizes that 1) not everyone > is going to agree with you and 2) true conversion does not come with > the use of force. If your version of god is so totally awesome and > your faith is so great in what you believe and you aren't afraid of > being converted, why do you feel the need to try to supress everyone > else? > > Now, from a marketing perspective, FreeBSD could do worse than > Beastie. The fact that he is some what controversial generates a > significant amount of publicity. Any marketing wonk will tell you > that ANY publicity is good and free publicity is the best kind. 6 > months later, people don't remember WHAT was said but they do > recognize the name. All of it serves to build the brand. > > I see changing the logo as an act of cowardice because you are giving > in to the religious right who have their own agenda which involves > dominating everyone's ideas about religion. I would urge the FreeBSD > community to stick to their guns and take a stand for religious > freedom for everyone. You have a right to your logo. It's been your > logo for 20 years and no bunch of religious bigots should be able to > make you change it. I'm not saying that they have to agree with you, > but they don't have the right to force you to change. > > 2 cents, > > Jimi Right on Jimi! -Mike