From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 21:20:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C1116A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:20:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (blackend.org [212.11.35.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1A643D1D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:20:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB2LJXrc082306; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:19:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by abigail.blackend.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB2LJXpK082305; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:19:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:19:32 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Tom Rhodes Message-ID: <20041202211932.GF78684@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041129060320.GA26868@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041129185546.GA74655@freebsdmall.com> <20041202204413.GN753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202205407.GD78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041202160526.7ea90d78@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041202160526.7ea90d78@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-PRERELEASE cc: Nik Clayton cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Murray Stokely cc: Marc Fonvieille cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:20:16 -0000 On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:05:26PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > OBJDIR was broken way before mirrors.xml. Also, I'm not really > > > talking about starting on a clean slate. Of course parts of the the > > > current buildsystem is just fine, but others are just a mess. > > > > > > > I can confirm that, since I'm guilty of this OBJDIR issue. It's not > > possible to "easily" fix it without changing a lot of things, so it's > > better to start a rewrite from zero. > > Which is a lot of work, I think everyone agrees on that. But > we can do it. There is a handful of smart and well meaning > committers here who I feel, if given more time and pointed in > a direction of "what we should do" will come through perfectly. > > Right now all we have been doing is bouncing around doing > whatever. There is just no real sense of direction. > Some of us and I gave in past some requirements and some ways to fix it, it should be available in the archives. I spent some times trying to fix it in a clean way, I gave up cause of lack of time. The change I did to the build allowed localized PDF version of docs to use en_US and localized images, before this change it was impossible to do that and to have images, so I had 2 choices: - backing out the change and users of OBJDIR would be happy and waiting for someone to take care of the localized PDF issue in a better way (this could take months or years) - keeping the change and offering to a lot of non-english readers the chance to be able to read/use/download a localised PDF version of the translated Handbooks You know my choice. If people really want to back out my change, let's do it, but I still think the most important "thing" is the fact we can offer the doc to people that do not read english. Marc