Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:59:46 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille <blackend@freebsd.org> To: Emily Boyd <soc-emily@freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org, keramida@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Huge fixed-width fonts on web mailing list archive Message-ID: <20051105105946.GA600@gothic.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <436BFF8D.1050502@freebsd.org> References: <200511030125.jA31PLrJ023110@bright.research.att.com> <20051104103619.GB602@gothic.blackend.org> <20051104124921.01f8d98d@localhost> <436B80B4.6080107@freebsd.org> <20051104173806.GK602@gothic.blackend.org> <20051104232616.GB2289@flame.pc> <436BFF8D.1050502@freebsd.org>
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On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 11:40:45AM +1100, Emily Boyd wrote: > Hi, > > >>For the moment I just commented out the font-size on > >>global.css, this should please many persons. > > > >It does, if you ask me. If anyone has sample screenshots that > >clearly show why this size is too small, I'd be very interested > >to see them, please. > > Try Firefox (or any Mozilla-based browser) on Windows: > > http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/freebsd/pre_firefox_win.png > > Or Safari: > > http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/freebsd/pre_safari_mac.png > > As I said, it's now unreadable. Well, it's difficult to compare systems that do not use the same default size for fonts with their browsers (16px/96dpi under windows, 14px or 12px under Mac), etc. http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/font/ will explain that with nice examples. > > Until we can work out the proper fix, I would recommend putting it back > to how it was; having larger (but perfectly readable) fonts in some > browsers is far better than having tiny fonts in others. > As I said in a previous mail, the problem is not new but was less disturbing. For example let's look at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-start.html this page is full of <pre></pre> (every console output uses <pre></pre>). If we look carefully to the CSS, we can see that there is no font-size definition; so I tried many browsers (Firefox, IE under windows, and Firefox/Mozilla under FreeBSD) and it was readable in all cases (maybe Firefow under windows was displaying the smallest font but it was different from the current <pre></pre> used in the new layout). So I believe there is a problem with "font definition" in the new layout. From my point of view I'd prefer to keep the "current small" scheme since it's possible for Firefox/Windows and Safari/OS X users to click on "large font" to get a readable page; I mean people can get a proper display without tweaking their font settings. However, I think we have to investigate this font size issue to get the same rendering as we currently have with the Handbook and such. Marc
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