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From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= <des@des.no>
To: Big Lebowski <spankthespam@gmail.com>
Cc: freebsd-security <freebsd-security@freebsd.org>,
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Subject: Re: DefCon lecture BSD Kern Vulns
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Big Lebowski <spankthespam@gmail.com> writes:
> Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav <des@des.no> writes:
> > There are decades of history here of which you are clearly unaware.
> > You may have the best of intentions, but nothing good will come of
> > raising this topic here and now.  Just drop it.
> Des, please, stop doing that. You're greatest example of cant-be-done
> about almost anything anyone asks for on this list.
>
> Michelle, please, don't stop. Keep talking, keep asking, and maybe one
> day a new breed of people who don't care about cant-be-done or
> 'decades of history' will get things done.

No.  You truly have no idea.  You're pouring gasoline on a fire and
inadvertantly insulting everyone involved.

Come see me at a con and we can discuss it over a beer.  But not here.

DES
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Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no