From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 23 12:32:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09086106566C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DECA68FC1C for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.96]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 901F816B4AF; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:32:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:31:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@noos.6dollardialup.com To: Robert Bonomi In-Reply-To: <201108222333.p7MNXhbh096674@mail.r-bonomi.com> Message-ID: References: <201108222333.p7MNXhbh096674@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What dialup modem WILL work with 8.x and uart? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 12:32:11 -0000 On Mon, 22 Aug 2011, Robert Bonomi wrote: >> From: Lars Eighner >> That's why I sprang for the 3Com which WAS supported by sio for years and is >> NOT supported by uart since 8.x. Why it is this device could be supported >> for so many years, but somehow it is impossible on 8.x? > > The answer is "because it *iS*". Whether or not you understand 'why' does't > change that real-world FACT. > > The world changed. The old driver -doesn't- work any more. Because of > architectural changes to other parts of the system. It is only natural for me to resist the conclusion that I have wasted years of my time and poured trasure down a rat hole. >> I'll look at anything, but if I have to buy something, I want to know it is >> actually IS working with uart, not that sort of should've. > > *sigh* > > If it is a USB serial port, it _doesn't_ use the uart driver. And you avoid > any limitations that it might have. > >> "drop-in repIacement" were the exact words used when I asked about it the >> first time I heard sio was being dropped and was assured uart would be a >> "drop-in replacement." But it is not, so theoretical "ought to work"s are >> not helpful. I'm looking for really actually does work. > > You've been told what actually does work. I'm running 8.2 on several > machines -- *with* working serial ports that live directly on the legacy > ISA bus. Using only the standard kernel drivers. And doing PPP over > those ports. I'm not using a modem, just a null-modem cable but I could > swap in a pair of _any_ type of hardware modems. Well, see, my question was about dialup, not null modem. -- Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266