From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sun Apr 12 07:39:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D88312B569C for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [194.1.144.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 490Ntw2BJrz3GxH for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03C7dk37011218 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:39:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=puchar.net; s=default; t=1586677187; bh=GcaJn62Z0TMjBdoENX7UtMafOnWf0ceyE8D8yCahPAQ=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=mJhwKADumjvkUWWcYAPy0aAtOd4F65r8tpYqmczT6+GjV1eVTzU/SkeZQfq8b6oAr Y9befI/HgtOYe8mRL3Y6eE5xyqAaMp/G8r323HKTZ7Uyrk/b4EGltqBwqtiatjW4bZ 6m+whPKj+ZTcy0aWOY6+Riq00CnybZ85WwcZL++E= Received: from localhost (puchar-wojtek@localhost) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id 03C7dkug011215; Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:39:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 09:39:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Freddie Cash cc: Wojciech Puchar , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Ars Technica article on FreeBSD new user experience In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1FFE298E-A609-4570-A0BD-E530996C92CF@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 490Ntw2BJrz3GxH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=puchar.net header.s=default header.b=mJhwKADu; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wojtek@puchar.net designates 194.1.144.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wojtek@puchar.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.80 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[puchar.net:s=default]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[puchar.net]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[puchar.net:-]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.144.1.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-2.50)[ip: (-6.62), ipnet: 194.1.144.0/24(-3.31), asn: 43476(-2.65), country: PL(0.06)]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:43476, ipnet:194.1.144.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 07:39:53 -0000 > > > Useless email posted by someone without any knowledge of the author. Yay? > Yes, Jim doesn't have experience with current versions of FreeBSD (I believe this was his first introduction to bsdinstall). But he > has years of experience with older versions, running ZFS-based systems. And with FreeNAS. So i completely don't understand such people want to even test point-and-click software. > No, this wasn't an in-depth review of using FreeBSD for any particular purpose. But it was a decent review of the installation > process, pointing out pain-points to those "not in the know". Actually it would be better to be no installer at all, but instalation instructions. > > Instead of ripping into the author, maybe look for ways to improve the installation experience. There's some great info around the > ZFS bits that those working on bsdinstall should look into (mostly around terminology). > > Cheers, > Freddie > > Typos due to smartphone keyboard. > > >