From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 12 17:03:19 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 117778EA for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225D166B for ; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:03:17 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AscjAAOTIFN20dOJPGdsb2JhbAANTYNBiTqxRIZfSgMCgTUDAQEBATiCWgEBAQQBAQFLIAoBEAsOCgkUAg8JAwIBAgEVAQkSFAYBBwUBAQQBAQEBGQSHZbAaoXAXjgsBAU8HhDgElFmBFYQJlDxagQQ Received: from ppp118-209-211-137.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.100.201]) ([118.209.211.137]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 13 Mar 2014 03:33:13 +1030 Message-ID: <5320934E.2080000@internode.on.net> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 04:03:10 +1100 From: Joe Shevland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rolf Nielsen , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UTF-8 Sorting References: <5320297F.1080400@ze.tum.de> <53207451.3010305@yahoo.com> <53207613.2090801@ze.tum.de> <53208119.6060009@yahoo.com> <53208442.4070304@internode.on.net> In-Reply-To: <53208442.4070304@internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: Gerhard Schmidt X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 17:03:19 -0000 The answer is it stifles us all. We're getting fed an NSA-spouted dream when the reality is a horror. Voting doesn''t work anymore with the lobbyists and glad-handers. What to do? On 13/03/2014 2:58 AM, Joe Shevland wrote: > As a complete twist, why on earth do people even talk about security > when whole governments have subverted the very means we worked towards, > to secure things? Ideally, to bring competition into things? To perhaps > work towards nobler means, a space elevator, or cracking that nut of > interstellar travel. Yet we have the Fed Reserve. > > The 5 eyes have made a mockery of personal freedom. I'm just not sure > why we still keep thinking we have it. Everything else is useless as a > result of their compromises. Why continue this charade? > > Why continue engineering topics, when the substance of of lives is at stake? > > Cheers > Joe > > On 13/03/2014 2:45 AM, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >> >> Gerhard Schmidt skrev 2014-03-12 15:58: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 12.03.2014 15:50, Rolf Nielsen wrote: >>>> >>>> Gerhard Schmidt skrev 2014-03-12 10:31: >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I've a problem with FreeBSD, UTF-8 and Sorting. >>>>> >>>>> e.g. there is a file with the following content >>>>> >>>>> Meier Müller Öger Ofner Schmidt >>>>> >>>>> I have set my Terminal to ISO-8859-1 Encoding and call sort on >>>>> this file I get the following output. >>>>> >>>>> Meier Müller Ofner Öger Schmidt >>>>> >>>>> Which is correctly sorted. >>>>> >>>>> When i change my Terminal to UTF-8 encoding and convert the file >>>>> to UTF-8 and call sort again I get the following output. >>>>> >>>>> Meier Müller Ofner Schmidt Öger >>>>> >>>>> which is wrong. >>>>> >>>>> The problem seams to be that the LC_COLLATE file in the >>>>> de_DE.UTF-8 locale is linked to ../la_LN.US-ASCII/LC_COLLATE (as >>>>> are all LC_COLLATE Files in any UTF-8 locale). >>>>> >>>>> After some Research i found a Mail from Kuba Lida in December >>>>> 2008 (yeah that's 5 Years ago) stating the same Problem and got >>>>> no response. >>>>> >>>>> Why isn't there a UTF-8 LC_COLLATE file for any language. Kuba >>>>> Lida believed there was a Problem with multibyte collate files in >>>>> FreeBSD. Is this true and are there plans to fix this problem. >>>>> >>>>> The same test under Linux works without problem. >>>>> >>>>> Regards Estartu >>>>> >>>>> - -- - >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Hmm, to me the result that you claim is wrong looks perfectly >>>> correct, however, it may of course differ between languages. In >>>> Swedish Ö is a separate letter, located last in the alphabet (from >>>> A to Z we have the exact same alphabet as English, and then come Å, >>>> Ä and Ö, in that order). >>> Yeah, Sweedisch sorts these characters after Z but in German Ö equals >>> Oe in Names and O in all other cases. There have to be collation >>> tables for different languages as there are different one for dieffent >>> languages in ISO encoding. I know that the direfrence in Name and Not >>> name will not be implementable but the default whould be much of an >>> improvement. >>> >>> The same difference is between German German (de_DE) and Austrian >>> German (de_AT). >>> >>> Regards >>> Estartu >> I see. Well, different countries, different customs. :) >> >> (I should have included the list in my previous reply, but I hit the >> wrong button. I apologise for that). >> >> Regards, >> Rolf >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"