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[76.18.79.193]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f7sm13500465ioo.27.2020.01.01.13.40.16 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jan 2020 13:40:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Adam Weinberger Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Portmaster failing Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 14:40:10 -0700 Message-Id: <6D2033C3-225B-422F-8285-110085BC7B33@adamw.org> References: Cc: "@lbutlr" , FreeBSD In-Reply-To: To: Franco Fichtner X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17C54) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 47p4Mk60Bpz4PNK X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=tGbX/FhZ; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of adamw@adamw.org designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=adamw@adamw.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-ports@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adamw.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adamw-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2.4.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(-0.44)[ip: (1.86), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.15), asn: 15169(-1.87), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[193.79.18.76.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 21:40:20 -0000 On Jan 1, 2020, at 14:23, Franco Fichtner wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFHi Adam, >=20 >> On 1. Jan 2020, at 10:18 PM, Adam Weinberger wrote: >>=20 >>> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 1:51 PM @lbutlr wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 01 Jan 2020, at 13:46, Franco Fichtner wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 1. Jan 2020, at 9:42 PM, @lbutlr wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 01 Jan 2020, at 13:40, Franco Fichtner wrote= : >>>>>> security/openssl was removed before, now security/openssl111 has beco= me security/openssl. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Ugh. >>>>>=20 >>>>>> A bit too eager for my taste, but that's why we all have private tree= s, don't we. ;) >>>>>=20 >>>>> This is going to go poorly, if previous attempts to update to 1.1 are a= ny indication. >>>>=20 >>>> With PHP 5.6 axed prematurely a while back I am interested to see OpenS= SL 1.0.2 >>>> phased out now with a number of ports still not supporting 1.1.1 and se= eing them >>>> marked as broken sooner or later. >>>=20 >>> Well, at this point I cannot install openssl111 without deinstalling ope= nssl, which I cannot deinstall since it is gone from ports. >>>=20 >>> Looks like I have to remove openssl, which =E2=80=A6 I mean, seriously, t= his seems pretty hostile. >>>=20 >>> Name : openssl >>> Version : 1.0.2u,1 >>> Installed on : Sun Dec 22 08:13:27 2019 MST >>>=20 >>> There was nothing at all on the 22nd about =E2=80=9CWARNING THIS WILL BR= EAK EVERYTHING IN A WEEK=E2=80=9D which to mean seems like it should have be= en made super obvious. >>=20 >> This is why we practically beg people to use poudriere. >=20 > Let me stop you right here and say: ports Framework itself is > suffering from this wishful attitude and this has nothing to do > with readily available poudriere "replacements" which are not > as good as poudriere for sure. >=20 > If the ports framework isn't seen as a stand alone infrastructure > worth its own integrity the discussion is already dead and the > quality will keep to decline for every casual FreeBSD user who > doesn't really care for this or that tool, but wants to install > software from the ports tree manually. >=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Franco I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. The ports tree has grown to= o complex for a simple =E2=80=9Cmake install=E2=80=9D to be a predictable pr= ocess. What we have now is a major usability problem wherein we have a large= handful of tools, all but one of which are essentially broken. We do need a= new approach to this problem.=20 # Adam =E2=80=94 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org=