From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 11 11:40:06 2010 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9138106564A for <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:40:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jessefrgsmith@yahoo.ca) Received: from n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A8C88FC1F for <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n17.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2010 11:40:06 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2010 11:40:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2010 11:40:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 880180.16039.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 98365 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2010 11:40:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date:Message-ID:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=d7t35OOpUbd4yCaUf6iJpQJnzFdgcNBjJRzmEtc8dFTLd4FrDSxzpFE10uqhU+ckou9I6HhtZ42wzdR79fX06csczNeKjbW4KGKQW6aZiIwP91GgWMVHHx62WI8pleA1BJCUpA3Yg4RSe1COo1Nm+WhcOVNCayOQCIIyVGantr8= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1278848405; bh=F3ZrlS/cB4hRJGu4+t82tGkfXDgAVNma/KGmt3PJ3g8=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Date:Message-ID:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KB4/fSupn23PKGsFunlxCSiNLpjnnF1AWOZUPS/k8kVeDlUNebT4ROszzXVGgSU0u17T7Tm0LgrRpxAy7hCIMAxsQ+/gGeyP02OkGfBUYAdvFMmHYVO7h25tk/XvWzP4TbgyCjcRGpDFuhqMFvsHPyefDvPJegcFeWZogNbNWiI= Received: from [192.168.0.103] (jessefrgsmith@71.7.176.238 with plain) by smtp134.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2010 04:40:05 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: NPm1JouswBClX_uJxHJINmnKUpROdMKvLL0- X-YMail-OSG: oZV1haoVM1lXYlSjr741.P5.lxKxHm215nQgBbuLvGT90EP BxLOjVrRF_lOceQZHozlesL0FAQUm1My7YcVRG8aHzt5MtACXnHeh8Muq_Ti GERnS1ekyRjjWqoazqQLEKie_k9i.4scoAJPGZFrRTWe6r_s.QJxg2rsX1sl GjPttwUdHQcF8rn8z7ykOBqz83cMOmsDkq939Gz1P1nZPB1MvnksOcie_aXb frtJkjWR5aCwRhp.LFVg5wgxy9BpSBwjr.g4rF..QgyjOBuaMX2iFKmwm93p XoKJYJKZ6AU_9tBygmoY24IyFqW9ZSbhTZ2k.dww8F5axBTxWrkIWbHo2atA - X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: Jesse Smith <jessefrgsmith@yahoo.ca> To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20100711045532.GA6496@lonesome.com> References: <925937.82371.qm@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20100711045532.GA6496@lonesome.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 08:39:54 -0300 Message-ID: <1278848394.3900.6.camel@hp-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PR Load Solutions X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD <freebsd-ports.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports>, <mailto:freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports>, <mailto:freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 11:40:07 -0000 ----Original Message----- From: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> To: Jesse Smith <jessefrgsmith@yahoo.ca> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PR Load Solutions Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 23:55:32 -0500 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 06:46:36AM -0700, Jesse Smith wrote: >I would be happy to take over maintaining those to ease the load. OK, we always welcome help :-) If you need help submitting PRs, let us know. > Veteran maintainers might not like the idea of new blood having commit > access, which is understandable, but I'd like to help out. The issue isn't about "not liking" -- it's more of a question of trust. We're asking our users to trust that the ports come from known places and have been through at least some kind of QA. To do that, we've set up a minimum threshhold to get commit access (a track record with filed PRs; some demonstrated ability to work with user questions; and so forth). It's actually not that difficult, in general, to wind up with a ports commit bit. mcl Perhaps I should have phrased that differently. I realize there needs to be a level of trust. Having come in recently to the world of Ports, it looks to me like there may be a small catch-22 involved. That is, people gain trust by submitting (and getting approved) PRs, but the existing maintainers seem to be too busy to keep up with the PRs coming in. Which means it takes a long time to earn that level of trust. I'm not saying I have a solution. Just that I'd like to help out as much as the veteran maintainers are willing. On a related note, what about trying to actively attract upstream maintainers to help out with the ports of their projects? I didn't even know until recently that two of my projects had been added to the Ports tree. Once I found out, I wanted to help keep those ports maintained and up to date. Maybe other up-stream developers could be recruited to babysit their ports? - Jesse