From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 17 21:47:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8DB1065670 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from millenia2000@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.86]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005B68FC0A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY165-DS20 ([65.54.190.123]) by bay0-omc2-s11.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:46:01 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [67.166.186.134] X-EIP: [EE4uWYFKjUhqxFyaZajSisjRHOzqnXNO] X-Originating-Email: [millenia2000@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: Sean Cavanaugh To: "'Zhihao Yuan'" , "'Mike Meyer'" References: <63226.1347899311@critter.freebsd.dk> <20120917120626.51369945@bhuda.mired.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:44:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQILtA6RTl9SsHY5SI+sd7Tj/M0QkQJb2v3oAjpPJAkCKwo7EQFtj7WHltFby3A= Content-Language: en-us X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2012 21:46:01.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4523540:01CD951D] Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:47:07 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org = [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Zhihao Yuan Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 1:54 PM To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Providing a default graphical environment on FreeBSD Well, let's make it more straightforward. I hope people can agree with this: a default, officially supported modern desktop environment is = essential to FreeBSD. This has already been answered. If you want a FreeBSD with a "default" = graphical desktop environment, install PC-BSD. Otherwise FreeBSD is not = really for the "install complete running workstation out of the box" = crowd, Its more the "let me customize my system to exactly the way I = want it" crowd, which has been a detriment to getting the silly linux = fanboys to drop their script Kiddy style lifestyles of just accepting = whatever their linux distro provides. Therefore you will never see a default graphical option outside of the = basics of X11. Besides, the options you mentioned are not part of the = graphical window managers, they are plugins and other utilities that = happen to run parallel and have GUI tie-ins. Most of them really are = nothing more than console programs with a graphical config screen.