From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 15 19:27:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5625692E; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@komquats.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E3315CE; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:27:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.1 cv=PW5KkOyi2N+7koGLNuH5QW2TYwO584XWNobLzFE45Rc= c=1 sm=1 a=QrugwKR0C_UA:10 a=wAGQQ9Az6v0A:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=ICAaq7hcmGcA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=IbtKDeXwb2+SRU442/pi3A==:17 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=BWvPGDcYAAAA:8 a=MyE6jBz-AAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=VjTKFRfQl6pNXV81uPAA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=V7tsTZBp22UA:10 a=aLekXsIfG0IA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Received: from unknown (HELO spqr.komquats.com) ([96.50.7.119]) by idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 15 Apr 2013 13:28:23 -0600 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy8 [10.2.2.6]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1CE180; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slippy (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r3FJRtq9002799; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@komquats.com) Message-Id: <201304151927.r3FJRtq9002799@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.5 From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.komquats.com/ To: Scott Long Subject: Re: ipfilter(4) needs maintainer In-Reply-To: Message from Scott Long of "Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:56:04 -0600." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 12:27:55 -0700 Cc: Warren Block , "current@freebsd.org" , Chris Rees , darrenr@freebsd.org, Rui Paulo , "net@freebsd.org" , "cpet@sdf.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Cy Schubert List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 19:27:57 -0000 In message , Scott Long writes: > > On Apr 15, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Cy Schubert wrote: > > > In message <18DF99B0-6E66-4906-A233-7778451B8A92@felyko.com>, Rui Paulo > > writes: > >> 2013/04/15 9:55$B!"(BCy Schubert $B$N%a%C%;!<%8 > (B: > >> > >>> I've been planning on taking on IP Filter for quite some time. > >>> Unfortunately I've left my src commit bit lapse (my ports commit bit is > >>> alive and well though) thus I'm looking for a mentor. In addition I'm > >>> working on an ACER WMI/ACPI kld. One mentor would be preferred but two > >>> would be fine too. > >> > >> What are your plans regarding ipfilter? I remain unconvinced that it shoul > d b > >> e in the base system. Perhaps you can work on it as a port? > > > > The initial plan was to import IP Filter 5.1.2 into HEAD. darrenr@ hadn't > > done much with IPF while employed with Sun. Since then there has been some > > development that is long overdue for HEAD. > > > > I'm not sure if I'd MFC it into 9 or not. > > > > I did consider a port but given it would has to touch bits and pieces of > > the source tree (/usr/src), a port would be messy and the decision was made > > > to work on importing it into base. > > > >> > >> Why do you want to work on something that people have been trying to remov > e s > >> ince 2005? > > > > I and others have been using it in FreeBSD for over decade. For the longest > > > of time we'd use a common set of rules across a FreeBSD and Solaris farm > > (using ipfmeta, makefiles, rsync, rdist, and a local CVS repo). > > Interoperability with other systems which use IP Filter is a plus. If > > there's a maintainer, it only makes FreeBSD richer. Losing IP Filter would > > be a loss. > > > > > If you're committed to maintaining IPFilter, that's great. However, it can't > be > left to stagger along in a zombie state with nothing more than good intentio > ns > from well meaning people. What is your timeline for getting it back into sha > pe > and re-integrating yourself into the committer community? I would think this would be my top priority right now. I'd like to see it at the latest level in HEAD. I would like to MFC to 9-STABLE at some point. Given that IPF already lives in src/contrib and src/sys/contrib, would the change in License from Darren Reed's own not so BSD friendly IPF license to GPLv2 be of concern. I recall there was a lot of concern over IPF's license change at the time. (FreeBSD moved it to contrib while OpenBSD removed it completely and wrote PF -- I'm not sure what NetBSD did). -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org