From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Mar 7 06:21:59 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F0125C987 for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 06:21:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from damjan.jov@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48ZDsg044lz3MSh for ; Sat, 7 Mar 2020 06:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from damjan.jov@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id f21so130697iol.6 for ; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:21:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=L2H00BoBGpHDbSQKleMsLiGGmpFiQaX7n9hcxGiaxqc=; b=Mb0xtQ1R/hYTYGd++6OJOn/jwijAYmVUR1WlUXTgydzhKjfGXKU+ZEoy80iSCsc0Ka kVMN6HrbaT1xIrsbbQNr7FJejXjh/8eYAp1PhjBpOjZJQWcSMBLJhtRkaZHDDjFxGeZ3 0+KLj4Mghegh2CnFsraWqHZbZVzKkFFVGmH9c0Tv/TrmSJ5JhWxL13mx+yxubZQaOasq NEu313PySTnkzC8VEw1Wi9dSvUrDmevDOei7dQEwQNybYMCy5AnLm6zJcBLRcS+RyGtd aMdPI5pUSkctjwQ0Xm+q8rSKemzNy2qFMZVyKV1uePTddqIEWL9wLFhCX3HewAFcQkzW cSiA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L2H00BoBGpHDbSQKleMsLiGGmpFiQaX7n9hcxGiaxqc=; b=TFCeJYzKXCBubLs46Cqy5c144ZHEKBMxEGcbDNrijtzrAU5tAYjO7GN4cpK4Vm8FNZ EXYkoxYkOvOC0W+74haZdlOUjLo/zKXPckMgx0Qq2aS4F9q4WZ7nLN6G2lXoTZ1qH5Ck njLoNVhWvAu9Nu0dcUXxQGDJoVJB/5QymN5oxRwvGYUA9DmElo1ObzWVb9IBU0Q4dI7x Gn2NLLc4aLzFrCyu5R+/kjIdx/lP7Ck3+fNDUMgaxJ0KplGEUHFCUz19lOqUl5nEQqbb 23SbxgaWLT2qbxbgOe6yOPo6K+ZqCZdKwpffmlcRRXI4XUrdknXp54K1VmXgd+8GNoKr N4VQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ3ryWQT2UPj1pvbnF+3TZC5NCxHUIBlTRnH5+Mq72eE6ZnjbDRQ 1ybrgqHh1clIgohe5tMFWaiXZPgidttBqwkmh/luqChKTd4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vukkVyPHgx5mfuN6L2Ha30iAoZe7qGFPAmwM0kx4m8Qqv8XPQKl+8nPnSH2IC6vVTrYAN6JOG7tdlf/CiqYvP0= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:c805:: with SMTP id y5mr5771677iol.193.1583562117993; Fri, 06 Mar 2020 22:21:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Damjan Jovanovic Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 08:21:46 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Removing: bktr(4) Brooktree Video Capture card To: Warner Losh Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48ZDsg044lz3MSh X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Mb0xtQ1R; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of damjanjov@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=damjanjov@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.00)[ip: (-6.46), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.86), asn: 15169(-1.65), country: US(-0.05)]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; IP_SCORE_FREEMAIL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.d.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2020 06:22:00 -0000 On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 2:46 AM Warner Losh wrote: > Greetings, > > I think that the time has come to remove bktr(4) from the tree. This is for > PCI-only hardware that can't do better than SD capture. For its time > (~2000) it was a cool card. However, it's no longer relevant to FreeBSD and > is completely unused as far as I can tell. The bread crumbs in my searches > end around 2006 in the NYCBUG dmesg database. > > Comments? > > Among emulated network cards in a VM/emulator, a FreeBSD guest is more likely to find the NE2000 than the latest 100 Gbps Ethernet card, among emulated graphics cards, the Voodoo 3dfx (which DOSBox and MAME already support) instead of the latest NVidia card. VirtualBox can already emulate a webcam to the guest. I am not sure what device it emulates, and doubt it uses bktr(4), but my point is, operating systems are likely to find old "hardware" when running as a guest. Retrocomputing is also a thing. Damjan