From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 22 13:08:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7206E10656A5; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D268FC1E; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DB47146B23; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:08:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from jhbbsd.localnet (smtp.hudson-trading.com [209.249.190.9]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2EB28A01D; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:08:14 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:56:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (FreeBSD/7.3-CBSD-20101102; KDE/4.4.5; amd64; ; ) References: <201011191320.59156.jkim@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <201011191320.59156.jkim@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <201011220756.26727.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:08:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.3 at bigwig.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.2 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on bigwig.baldwin.cx Cc: Andriy Gapon , Ivan Voras , Jung-uk Kim , Garrett Cooper Subject: Re: A big-ish machine, cannot boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:08:24 -0000 On Friday, November 19, 2010 1:20:53 pm Jung-uk Kim wrote: > On Friday 19 November 2010 12:04 pm, Garrett Cooper wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Andriy Gapon =20 > wrote: > > > on 19/11/2010 18:57 Ivan Voras said the following: > > >> On 19 November 2010 17:13, Gary Jennejohn=20 > wrote: > > >>> On Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:51:22 +0200 > > >>> > > >>> Andriy Gapon wrote: > > >>>> on 19/11/2010 17:41 Ivan Voras said the following: > > >>>>> Fujitsu TX300 > > >>>> > > >>>> [Thunderbird 3 sometimes fails quoting while replying - blame > > >>>> it] > > >>>> > > >>>> Perhaps I am wrong, but isn't the "twirly" shown by the > > >>>> loader, still? Not sure if the kernel does that. > > >>> > > >>> Yup, that's the boot loader. =EF=BF=BDThe kernel spits out printfs. > > >> > > >> Good news, of sorts - I left while I went for dinner and > > >> apparently it did boot in the meantime. So it's not a complete > > >> hang, it just takes unexpectedly long (10+ minutes?) > > >> > > >> I'm currently running "make -j24 buildworld" and once it boots > > >> it looks very fast! > > > > > > You ought to determine a cause of the long boot, though. > > > No compromises or excuses! :-) > > > > A similar issue occurred with an HP box recently (in the last 3-4 > > months?). I'd check the archives for more details. >=20 > I bet these are "legacy free" machines, right? I recently noticed=20 > that recent Intel chipsets cause incredibly long delays when=20 > non-existent ISA ports are accessed, most notably AT keyboard ports. =20 > (My gut tells me it is going in and out of SMM repeatedly for=20 > nothing.) Back in the old days, when we had real ISA bus, it used to=20 > delay very short and fixed amount time. Those days, this behaviour=20 > was even (ab)used as a delay function where a real timer is not=20 > available yet. ;-) >=20 > Try getting rid of all unnecessary device drivers from your kernel=20 > configuration. Someone had some patches to the atkbd early probe to work around long delay= s=20 during the keyboard probe for this reason. =2D-=20 John Baldwin