From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Dec 11 05:51:45 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DEE1321ED5 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 05:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: from mail-vs1-xe36.google.com (mail-vs1-xe36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D1558543C for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 05:51:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aimass@yabarana.com) Received: by mail-vs1-xe36.google.com with SMTP id e7so8192918vsc.2 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:51:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HOarf83Z6TbE8hrNJGxJBB92/zU1w+IprnTByiTd0Q4=; b=JYoAuiRuu4eVK4BnbeGNl8/Xbh5r/LjhE4lwscWlT2/6I6PL2aZ+U61bmYRbATrzLo haG4qOvHxzZDWPi/3tBNXApXbS04hy0T4+IukbVH+pA6x2k0xkWnKLOMK7d2iehUdm8C DuEXt6+IQMw5/Lj/ivZWd980xe+93/m+oXWccKjmXomn2MAlcTkknGuq3qHcH1h1XPBQ 4J+bWMyHf2/J0wglsi53ESLs++z2aNJNeRdJHYitn5l0PJAtaV5pvHMEYzK8bNB/J4Cq yMbMZevUVB6rHRK/iwzifoNwJpBkK/ArmdlJKO0ng/Mu24bh257ZytUmA3E1Avfbm12H kYSA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HOarf83Z6TbE8hrNJGxJBB92/zU1w+IprnTByiTd0Q4=; b=pJhs8fkfwBhML1pc6mQIhjExXqHxAoSN1cq10l3VcHw3W1u/Y+k1F57TFeghAA65cR TenK/PgoxjZLV7Myhm4KI5s+cFQQ5z7PsRkYi1CRyJBnP0j8P9G/1/TtO66Bz3ZKKzvW IKqIrtVfGb964lexAs6/zpeup+lMlXUcBA3sgD5XGWhh2j4zG5Qb2o0iuYEDf3h+FudO dByUbK8ofIA6Xe7g9zWHYCdJFP8OnuOBs8Ybr57lQIMx9367pCQ3VsRGgGgfLZaEwgnr 7HIjoAWpGL2Y5Dp8BEXWUesvrgruJzDi91qi2OmdQQdAd3h5xy7rGNGyUmUMP2BhOdaY TEqA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWY0zqmUd1b+xHYSWM1DpMpBcGcrptlrM+UrFgwcogywdOiBo81d ohgeyS9fKWncmQh+IoRNuzSWBmITelyFdHUtUw3mPfd1YSA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UipHdChg6WiFy+/wNrRfgY9wm8gqHJcmKc9jcOZOpDt6l3vAbvit4T37jL5qwOi7SExQeAtGZrt67u0r9FyIo= X-Received: by 2002:a67:cf02:: with SMTP id y2mr6752004vsl.118.1544507503337; Mon, 10 Dec 2018 21:51:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181211041849.GA75666@geeks.org> In-Reply-To: <20181211041849.GA75666@geeks.org> From: Alejandro Imass Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 00:51:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: freebsd or linux To: merlyn@geeks.org Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2D1558543C X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.52 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.984,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[yabarana.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt1.aspmx.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yabarana-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[6.3.e.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.452,0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.58)[ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-1.52), asn: 15169(-1.27), country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 05:51:45 -0000 On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:18 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: > You can find bits and pieces all over on the history. > > [...] Wow! Thanks A LOT for taking the time to answer. I kew a few of these things and have picked up bits and pieces as well but you answered some questions I have never seen explained elsewhere. Some things are curious though. The initial release date of NeXT is 1989 (derived from 4.3BSD-Tahoe released in 1988) but I think that it still had some AT&T code in it so you still had to obtain a license from AT&T to run any form of BSD. So AT&T did license to NeXT in one form or another after all ;-) So I guess that bottom line is that were few options (if any) for Jobs in 1988. The other curious thing and somewhat unrelated (or not?) is how close 386BSD FreeBSD were to Linux (both in '91, FreeBSD actually '92). So if only for a few months, Linux would probably not exist. But I wonder if the whole Free Software-later-Open Source movement would have played out in much the same way. Ironically, FreeBSD is more free than "Free Software" per the FSF-GPL. Best, Alex