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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:49:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Dempsey <chrisdempsey@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: ATA Atapi 4.6 Release
To: "David W. Chapman Jr." <dwcjr@inethouston.net>,
	John Prince <johnp@lodgenet.com>
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David,

I sense (alas, email is not good for conveying
emotion) some frustration here on both sides.

No one is trying to insult anyone or the intelligence.
 I for one am very happy with the RE process and
Soren's work in particular with ATA.

There seems to be two general problems, one with
several fixes floating about:

* AOpen CD-ROMS (and possibly others) are failing to
read CDs sometime after the large ATA commit

* Problems with certain ATA drives and tagged queueing

While the latter IMHO is not a large problem, the
first one seems to be.  I don't have any C experience,
so the only help I can provide is a happy and calm
email.

I know we all have different jobs, and perhaps as a
non-committer I shouldn't be complaining, but the
CD-ROM in particular is causing wide spread
difficulties in installing this wonderful OS.

Regards,

Chris Dempsey


--- "David W. Chapman Jr." <dwcjr@inethouston.net>
wrote:
> > Hello David..
> > Do we need a full list of problems?
> 
> You are arguing on how it affects the user, how can
> you get the full scope
> if you don't know all the problems.
> 
> > Maybe I am seeing  a paradigm shift with FreeBSD,
> > It seemed there used to be more attention focused
> to quality.
> 
> How do you expect these problems to be fixed if
> there isn't a list of all of
> them.
> >
> > Why are you trying to argue this with me.. It is
> Broke.. How many ways
> > can you argue its not..
> 
> Why are you complaining and not willing to do
> anything about it!!!!!
> 
> Making a list of broken things would be a good
> start.
> 


=====
Christopher P Dempsey
---------------------

chrisdempsey@yahoo.com

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