Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:53:06 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> To: Paul Schmehl <pauls@utdallas.edu> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC/P] Port System Re-Engineering Message-ID: <47545092.6080309@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <75F291E2E8B0639EEEC0F3A2@utd59514.utdallas.edu> References: <200712030308.32301.david@vizion2000.net> <3BC04A18-86CD-4A93-831A-691EBD8D4A43@FreeBSD.org> <47543109.3050303@gmail.com> <75F291E2E8B0639EEEC0F3A2@utd59514.utdallas.edu>
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Monday, December 03, 2007 11:38:33 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" > <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Coding before the problem is well understood is the worst of all >> possible solutions... specifically in many ways thats how to the >> port system got into such a bad state.... > > I've run just about every *nix version imaginable - a number of > Linuxes (Red Hat, Fedora, Ubuntu, Gentoo, Debian, Slackware, and > others) and FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solarix, AIX, just to name a few. > I've used apt-get, yum, rpm, et. al. IMNSHO the ports system is by > far the best system I've ever used WRT installing/deinstalling > software **and solving problems with dependencies**. I have > *never* had a problem with the ports system that couldn't be easily > solved by 1) reading /usr/ports/UPDATING or 2) deinstalling and > reinstalling a port or ports and 3) running pkgdb -F and fixing > dependency problems. I can't say the same for any of the other > systems, which is why I use FreeBSD exclusively where I can (which > is almost everywhere now.) Have you ever attempted to install the individual ports of a mega metaport? > > Before you waste any more time, why don't you get very specific > about what you think the "bad state" of the ports system is. "I > don't like it" doesn't qualify nor does "ports freezes suck". I never asked or said any of those... the original thread was started when I asked how long the port freeze would last... others turned it into a referendum on the ports system... once the thread had been transformed I ventured some of my own ideas. > > Oddly enough, the ports systems works perfectly for me, with only a > very occasional problem encountered. I maintain a few (8) ports > myself, so I'm quite familiar with how they work as well. I have 4 ports awaiting inclusion in the ports tree after the freeze is over (I am willing to wait but I think the fact that there was a ports freeze in the first place points to some underlaying flaws which I cited in the original thread) > > Perhaps your "problem" is a lack of familiarity? Any one who can write a port makefile from scratch and have it pass portlint should qualify as being familiar with the system - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHVFCS358R5LPuPvsRAvgKAJ40iAA41f4so78JOR8MLJ3kiKe0lQCgycYD r0qI6Kf9QSQpj7IGN077sSU= =Bs9c -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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