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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 12:19:29 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Dealing with a hosting company with it's head up it's rear end To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BSGc70xySz3SyR X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Ny3tXbG3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of xxjack12xx@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=xxjack12xx@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.987]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.001]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.449]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:20:08 -0000 Time to run a web shell and show them how vulnerable port 80 is. On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 12:07 PM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 3:04 PM Jack L. wrote: >> >> Just change the ssh/rdp ports? >> > > All ports except 80 and 25 are firewalled > > >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:59 AM Aryeh Friedman >> wrote: >> > >> > Forgot to ask how common is such idiocy? And is it becoming more common? >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:56 PM Aryeh Friedman >> > wrote: >> > >> > > The hosting company for one of our clients sent the following reply to >> > > us/them when we asked them to setup end user accounts on a dedicated >> > > Windows Server, FreeBSD box and CentOS box (all VM's on the same physical >> > > machine with no other VM's on the physical machine) and being told we >> > > needed scriptable access (not web based non-scriptable) to the windows >> > > desktop and shell accounts (including the ability to sudo) and they agreed >> > > to provide it: >> > > >> > > "[Insert client name here], we do not allow RDP or SSH into our >> > > datacenter. They are the primary vehicles for ransomware and cryptolocker >> > > breaches. We utilize a secure access portal with multi-factor >> > > authentication to ensure you don't get breached." >> > > >> > > I kind of understand RDP (but we have had bad luck with VNC on the same >> > > hosting provider in the past so we prefer RDP), but SSH!?!?!?!?! Their >> > > idea of a "two factor" authentication is each connection will only be >> > > allowed via a web portal and must use a one-time password sent the users >> > > smartphone. Not only does this make automated deploy impossible it is a >> > > complete show stopper since our service is IoT and uses its own custom >> > > protocol. >> > > >> > > So how do we/the client tell the hosting company they are full of sh*t >> > > (the client has a 3 year contract with a pay in full to break clause with >> > > them which would be over $100k to break) >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org >> > _______________________________________________ >> > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org