From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 29 05:20:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C2116A4CE; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 05:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E134543FDF; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 05:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 9BFB65309; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:20:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from dwp.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 67AA75308; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:20:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by dwp.des.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 4B8E033C7B; Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:20:19 +0100 (CET) To: richardcoleman@mindspring.com References: <20031129011334.GC88553@madman.celabo.org> <3FC82FB7.3070800@mindspring.com> From: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:20:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3FC82FB7.3070800@mindspring.com> (Richard Coleman's message of "Sat, 29 Nov 2003 00:33:43 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090024 (Oort Gnus v0.24) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: ss X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.60 cc: "Jacques A. Vidrine" cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: NSS and PAM X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 13:20:29 -0000 Richard Coleman writes: > Replacing passwd/group/NSS/PAM/whatever with a real database or > directory backend is a kind of holy grail for Unix that's been > discussed for many years. You're mixing apples and oranges here. NSS and PAM are not backends in themselves; they are frameworks that allow the admin to select and combine directory and authentication backends and policies. You can't get by without them, because you will never find a single solution that can replace the entire installed base of LDAP, Radius, TAC+, Kerberos etc., and you can't enforce policy from the backend. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no