From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 21:05:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357CA9C3EA2 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD2701277 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1442351109; bh=ZhgeDtkvaCIigIQHSkuuY6x2j/Nw+HpgoSbqVlwcwtw=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=QCufOKkWzk/FrfiNYkvO2ZkCalT4RYvKreZxTu3usHY2Tlmv3f+jvsevwrL4tmLM6oP9gpFWjZVj7F9F+NmMh+9MD5FFa5Sgn2/iEzrZ7md2/qF/3qNNRexrpynaBboILLsH5aWV3X0Tm53eSsOdmtqQVbFURe4yOf6B7g3ZjVkwg6B1TqiziFnhdUrhRjiXBHwhFOzdboYOLHl9UiAEQSL4QADVtQaE9y32Brw+lA507VBsibUY42ImhRzXa823UfF0rDiW8oJn5NKrZy6gTlQDxEIpvm4FzivtyF/U9rhnYgvfy8QcG+uq+fzI3IuA/MXyGGOJUpkm0OW8TVlorw== Received: from [98.139.170.179] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 21:05:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.205] by tm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 21:05:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 21:05:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 804126.59125.bm@smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: hb10h5IVM1mqiYKAsNcx8xqOLoOracsOZFkCh5JIDT9pnVG SMjPhFk9uvJO0urSz3oreR2JyU7JyzRTLIpZRtUqbbRwJ7htgqmljOmhKgV5 7U5csiGGuRBMy141bg6FDsPp1EeQVLWde9x5Ckm6j9t9jwHFZveUBZPaFTmQ TVDSC11qn_B1abT2CSgH1Hyq9u7nh_Mr3uBAhmbbwu.Rx5deWfqJHB1M5vyj f6aN7R5faQVNxftaNQfLu9NkAIcDWOwF_El1qmHvASm5HawTiRdRiXb7f2hp zrlyHl7sKtVhJLa9SV1zyXXwhO3FqG47FERKlLQh2qaDSDYJvBhDsUtq76h8 Rz6d4m83FOYYePKHzFBaoSSQiiKLvOuVbWaDNHPvkbtk5iNTxyd19roN.zZm 3H0GeE0mK_zoKSzjbEruVjh123ealY67zmloxegGN4nvjvAS0wDEcjw6Yv3k lI_rwDxvURFrRQbV3z03LY1c7X5rCltiwtfbiX1tAxXQ8Beh4HtUB5X7npRz iHjHfv8Q5lupK0oAYplQHBYuv2Iig6IBVNQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Subject: Re: Poor support for graphic cards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> From: Paul Pathiakis Message-ID: <55F88802.4060602@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:05:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:05:12 -0000 I've been having no issue in my PCBSD/FreeBSD mixed environment here. The KMS stuff, once over, has been great in supporting all the ATI and Intel cards. I can offer insight on the NVIDIA support on both PC and Free.... Awesome!!! Fast!!!! I, presently, have running: GTX680, GTX 550i, GT 550, GTX 430, GTX 630, etc. The 680 is in my son's dual boot rig that he games on. Personally, NVidia has closed drivers so I understand Warren's take on it and can agree with it. However, the reason that they are making it tight again seems that NVidia is grabbing lots of market share (despite the console market). To that end, the counterfeiters are taking lower end cards and flashing the BIOS to identify as high-ends. I got screwed on Ebay by this. Ebay made it right, but the GT550 was, supposedly, a GTX 780.... So, Nvidia is trying to do more to protect the BIOS and drivers to keep things like this from happening. Agree? Disagree? I don't know. I don't like 'closed' either but I really didn't like getting screwed. P On 09/15/2015 15:28, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Erik Lauritsen wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Why does FreeBSD has such poor support for graphic cards? > > Because few people were available to do the work of porting X and X > drivers. > >> I would never consider using a Nvidia card with a closed source >> driver so I need something other than Nvidia. I have looked at the >> wiki for supported cards and the list is very small. > > AMD cards up to the 6000 series work, 7000 has some support for some > cards. I'm using a 5750 right now. > > Intel video up to the 3000-series processors (non-Haswell) is supported. > > I have not tested Nvidia cards because they do not support open drivers. > >> Is that because people are simple recommended using Nvidia cards with >> their closed binary driver so it is not considered "that important", >> or is it because of a lack of developers or something else? > > Lack of developers, definitely. > >> It makes it almost impossible to run FreeBSD on a desktop with video >> watching capabilities. > > It seems usable here. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"