From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 9 16:42:45 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BB71065673 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jos@catnook.com) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5098FC1A for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eeke49 with SMTP id e49so4608102eek.13 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=hCJI38Aryzbk08cAAeonl+VJ2S/z/SfxALGczxzTbpY=; b=mSdhaODgNF5nBREGq9+UAT6T98Dwql2FPi1APjBHcDttLgZA6QponUbtt/k+qSdYNf f4wdKBIQzF0aE4NvuWvKof7Lk51ksxknC+ishSFT8n0PNPOa+7/6/8UOLHowylR8ZNUP qfrT/lebwBQ5wm2GUszvwFQ449fvRLJ2Ejqw5nW1K5gCGkB95aWF69ow7oi5puHv6CMZ 9WDrGEDB2WykIKmOUS+g5z5QZ+TuvXf3QNgsqRKWopc7RBQs0h6DxsxzCADqC8jsOQko XeZID/jtEXPHRaoWi87WZ4c8PHxEk3UxMcKmws7ivPKiHkvFqlBJCUQV32L7s4bptlxX lfcA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.27.136 with SMTP id e8mr10048059eea.157.1341852163260; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.223.201 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:42:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4FF2E00E.2030502@FreeBSD.org> <86bojxow6x.fsf@ds4.des.no> <89AB703D-E075-4AAC-AC1B-B358CC4E4E7F@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4FF8C3A1.9080805@FreeBSD.org> <20472.51031.308284.775990@hergotha.csail.mit.edu> <4FF8C890.9030408@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7174.7050604@FreeBSD.org> <4FFA7980.4000707@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:42:43 -0700 Message-ID: From: Jos Backus To: FreeBSD Hackers X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmIj+6bsktrLIrhqRR5LyoQOFo0qTyCjjpGK9RJaNBx3X+sf3gKJzMWt26pf6hbI+RJc+4Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Replacing BIND with unbound (Was: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:42:45 -0000 On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Avleen Vig wrote: > [snip] > The issue is also one of barrier-to-entry. By removing `dig` and > `host`, I think we're making things unnecessarily more difficult for > people who don't *know* FreeBSD. `dig` and `host` a universally > standard tools for doing DNS lookups. Taking them away in base to > replace them with something else just seems like something that won't > really *help* users. > [snip] One reason I'd like to see these "standard tools" be replaced with something better is that their output sucks for use in any kind of automation (unlike e.g. some of the the tools that ship with djbdns). Jos -- Jos Backus jos at catnook.com