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Date:      Fri, 31 Aug 2001 23:39:34 -0700
From:      Chip <chip@wiegand.org>
To:        tedm@toybox.placo.com
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: replacing a cisco router with a fbsd box
Message-ID:  <01083123393400.44697@chip.wiegand.org>

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>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
>[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of
>Chip
>Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:28 AM
>To: fbsd
>>Subject: replacing a cisco router with a fbsd box
>>At work I have 3 cisco routers - a 1600, 2500, 2600. The
>>1600 has proven
>>to be the most unreliable piece of crap imaginable.
>
>Your probably experiencing this because you DON'T have
>Cisco Service, and
>thus aren't allowed to log into Cisco and download
>current firmware images for the routers.  What people don't 
>understand when they purchase Cisco routers is that Cisco 
>isn't like LinkSys or most other retail devices where there is
>just ONE version of firmware and when a bug is discovered
>in it the manufacturer releases a new version.  With Ciscos 
>there are many, many versions that do different things.  If you 
>as a purchaser aren't willing to spend the extra money for a 
>Cisco service or retain someone like me (who works on the 
>things professionally among the many other things I do) then I
>say you have no business purchasing the devices to start with.

Oh Ted, you're too harsh, and too quick with the assumptions. 
The company did buy a service contract with the router, which 
ran out a few months ago. And at that time the router was updated 
with the latest version of the IOS.
Which did nothing to solve the problem of it needing to be 
'rebooted' by a power-off. AND the company also has retained
a Cisco consultant to handle configuring our routers. They swear
there is nothing wrong with it.

-snip-
>Cisco IOS is just like any other operating system,
>there's good versions and bad versions.  Cisco deferrs the 
>bad versions quite rapidly but unless you have some 
>experience with IOS versions, your not going to understand
>what's going on with IOS versions even if you did have
>COO access. We have many, many customers with 
>rock-solid 1600's.

I sent a follow up message, maybe you missed it, where I 
made a correction of the router model, it's a 2610. We also
have two 2500's and a 1600, all of which have never had
any problems what-so-ever.

>Frankly if yours is such a piece of junk then please sell it 
>to me for what you are saying it's worth and I'll find a good 
>home for it. :-)
>Ted Mittelstaedt
>tedm@toybox.placo.com
>Author of:                           The FreeBSD
>Corporate Networker's Guide

Good book by-the-way, I bought a copy soon as it hit the shelves.

Regards,
--
Chip

>Book website:                          
>http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com
>  The cisco router
>runs
>nat and firewall services currently, should be easy to
>replace with a
>fbsd
>box.
>I am wondering if it is possible to replace it with a
>fbsd machine?
>The problem I see with this is the connection of the
>csu/dsu to the
>router -
>it uses some funky block connector to plug into the
>cisco router. Is
>there a
>way to convert that block connector (I don't know the
>proper name for
>it),
>to plug into an ethernet card on the fbsd box? Or is
>there a pci card
>available
>for the fbsd box that will accept this funky block
>connector?
>--
>Regards,
>--
>Chip Wiegand
>Computer Services
>Simrad, Inc

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