From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Oct 28 13:01:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55304446655 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:01:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CLpcH2SNZz458B for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.38.125]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N4vFE-1kQ6542PdU-010vV9; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:01:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:01:25 +0100 From: Polytropon To: doug@fledge.watson.org Cc: doug@safeport.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is the "better / best " method to multi-boot different OSes natively WITHOUT VirtualBox(es) ? 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I agree here you > get what you pay for. I have two NAS appliances with Western Digital. On > the older one two disks have gone bad in what seems to me not that long. Again, depends. :-) As the hard disk manufacturers meanwhile have bought each other, there is little actual choice, despite many different brand names. With WD, I've always had great results (live long, work good). In the past, I also used Seagate and Toshiba. The last one, who bought Hitachi, who bought IBM, was the one with the less impressive results, especially for 2.5" laptop disks. Of course, this is not a problem anymore, as I prefer to use SSDs there. Hard disks still have their place in _mass_ storage systems. Probably WD and Seagate are good to use. Maybe the following statistics are interesting to you: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/hard-drive-test-data.html https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2020/ https://www.backblaze.com/blog/category/cloud-storage/hard-drive-stats/ BackBlaze offers a lot of such data. Always see this in relation to your own workload and use cases. You can also see the statistics archives in order to see how things might have changed for particular brands. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...