From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 2 17:13:07 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6B9106564A; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:13:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from theravensnest.org (theraven.freebsd.your.org [216.14.102.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D70C8FC1A; Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c120.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk (c120.sec.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.18.120]) (authenticated bits=0) by theravensnest.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q72HD49s079836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Aug 2012 17:13:06 GMT (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: David Chisnall In-Reply-To: <501AAEF2.8060202@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:13:01 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> <501AAEF2.8060202@FreeBSD.org> To: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: FreeBSD Hackers , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 17:13:07 -0000 On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote: > Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? If = I > missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you don't = tell > people about isn't really any better than not providing it at all. It's not widely advertised, because we're likely to be able to support a = limited number of remote participants (10 seems like the upper limit for = the technology that we're looking at, and I wouldn't be surprised if it = degrades before then). As with all other things in the project, we = welcome people who are willing to make an effort to engage. We provide = it when people ask, not spontaneously, because organising cameras and = decent microphones requires effort on the bart of the organisers. We = only have one microphone available that will give good pickup over a = whole room, for example, so we can't offer remote participation in = parallel streams and we need to prioritise people who are willing to go = to the massive effort of sending a one-line email saying 'I would like = to make a contribution in this working group but am unable to attend'. =20= The FreeBSD Foundation has also offered to fund new contributors who = want to attend but are unable to afford to do so on their own. In spite = of the fact that I spent some effort encouraging people to apply for = this, only one person actually did. =20 We make a considerable effort to ensure that DevSummits are easy to = attend for anyone who wants to contribute to the projects. They are not = intended as spectator events, but for anyone who wishes to engage with = the community there are procedures in place for attending or = participating remotely. I have very little sympathy with people who = complain that the community isn't engaging with them, without making the = effort to engage with the community. =20 David