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Date:      Thu, 2 Aug 2012 18:13:01 +0100
From:      David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org>, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]
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On 2 Aug 2012, at 17:46, Doug Barton wrote:

> Well that's a start. :) And where was this availability announced? If =
I
> missed it, that's on me. But providing remote access that you don't =
tell
> people about isn't really any better than not providing it at all.

It's not widely advertised, because we're likely to be able to support a =
limited number of remote participants (10 seems like the upper limit for =
the technology that we're looking at, and I wouldn't be surprised if it =
degrades before then).  As with all other things in the project, we =
welcome people who are willing to make an effort to engage.  We provide =
it when people ask, not spontaneously, because organising cameras and =
decent microphones requires effort on the bart of the organisers.  We =
only have one microphone available that will give good pickup over a =
whole room, for example, so we can't offer remote participation in =
parallel streams and we need to prioritise people who are willing to go =
to the massive effort of sending a one-line email saying 'I would like =
to make a contribution in this working group but am unable to attend'. =20=


The FreeBSD Foundation has also offered to fund new contributors who =
want to attend but are unable to afford to do so on their own.  In spite =
of the fact that I spent some effort encouraging people to apply for =
this, only one person actually did. =20

We make a considerable effort to ensure that DevSummits are easy to =
attend for anyone who wants to contribute to the projects.  They are not =
intended as spectator events, but for anyone who wishes to engage with =
the community there are procedures in place for attending or =
participating remotely.  I have very little sympathy with people who =
complain that the community isn't engaging with them, without making the =
effort to engage with the community. =20

David




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