From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 25 11:20:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7482316A4D1 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from cowpie.acm.vt.edu (cowpie.acm.vt.edu [128.173.42.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5F543D49 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:20:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from clint@acm.vt.edu) Received: from cowpie.acm.vt.edu (clint@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cowpie.acm.vt.edu (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i2PJKAwk076516; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:20:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from clint@acm.vt.edu) Received: from localhost (clint@localhost)i2PJKAQl076513; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:20:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from clint@acm.vt.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cowpie.acm.vt.edu: clint owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:20:10 -0500 (EST) From: __Clint__ To: James Gallagher In-Reply-To: <20163526-7E83-11D8-A2A1-000A956A45FA@mac.com> Message-ID: <20040325140009.X73389-100000@cowpie.acm.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ! why? [original emails enclosed: last post hopefully] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:20:11 -0000 > You're not a victim of SPAM, you're an attention seeker. Go and look for > help with that issue on another list. Considering that in 10 yrs I have only ever received human replies to 3 or 4 "abuse@", but have probably sent 200 or so, this was decidedly not a ploy for attention. I expected it to go to /dev/null, not some mailing list full of unix folks with their typical tiresome unix-culture attitudes (which usually include, but are not limited to: intellectual elitism, scapegoating, and blaming the user for 100% of bad things that happen to the user). And as for "Another list" - I never knew my original post was going to a list so it's not like i'm seeking attention by posting to a list. Had I known it was a list my email would have been phrased differently or, more than likely, I would have simply not sent it. The root of the problem is that my initial complaint DID in fact go to /dev/null (in a sense). I got back this response (below). The next-closest thing to abuse@ was questions@. Notice how it does not mention that any of these are mailing lists. Also notice how the spam problem they mention is forged headers. My problem is NOT mail forged to be crafted to look like it came from freebsd.org. My spam was NOT marked as from freebsd.org. What involves freebsd.org is that they used clint+freebsddotorg@acm.vt.edu as my address -- that is an address that I would only ever put into FreeBSD.org's hands and look where it went. I still don't believe for a second that this is due to me posting on any public mail list. FreeBSD's mail servers and/or lists of email addresses were somehow comprimised. I'm going to go ahead and CC the list (First time i've done this intentionally) with my bounceback so you can all see what started this and maybe have a deeper understanding rather than every one of you individually privately mailing me. I actually don't want the attention and wish this would all go away, but when someone attacks me I make it a point to always, always rebut. So if no one responds, I'm done. We've exchanged all the information we could, I've learned something (barely), and any more discussion is really pointless bickering amongst people who probably ALL thing spammers should be drawn and quartered. I've included the original spammer's headers too, in case someone wants to do anything about it. -------------------------------------------------------------- email saga below, read from bottom to top -------------------------------------------------------------- >From devnull@freebsd.org Thu Mar 25 14:03:57 2004 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:34:05 -0800 (PST) From: "root@freebsd.org auto responder" To: clint@acm.vt.edu Subject: root@freebsd.org automatic response This is a canned auto-reply to your recent email to root@freebsd.org. [Note: I sent it to abuse@freebsd.org not root. -CL] Unfortunately, this address was recently forged in a large scale spam distributiom which we had nothing to do with. Even more unfortunately, we got an *insane* number of bounce messages. As a result we had to resort to an auto-responder. Your message has NOT been read by a human. If you need human assistance, use the following @freebsd.org addresses: questions@ (problems finding, downloading or installing freebsd) [so this is a list???? doesn't say...i assumed it was one guy] ftpadm@ (regarding the contents of the ftp mirrors - corrupt files etc) hubs@ (dealing with mirrors, corrupt files on mirrors, etc) dnsadm@ (specific dns zone change instructions) ftp-master@ (access to ftp-master.*.freebsd.org) accounts@ (account creation and changes on the freebsd.org cluster) refadm@ (issues with the reference machines in the cluster) clusteradm@ (issues with the non-reference machines in the cluster) Also, see here for general information: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ Thank you. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:50:47 -0500 (EST) From: __Clint__ To: abuse@freebsd.org [later, after bounce notice above, I resent it to : questions@freebsd.org -CL] Subject: ! why? Why have you sold my email address to spammers? 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