From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 30 00:32:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1474516A4CE for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:32:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fast.dnswatch.com (fast.dnswatch.com [216.177.243.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7386843D1F for ; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:32:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from null@dnswatch.com) Received: from fast.dnswatch.com (localhost.dnswatch.com [127.0.0.1]) by fast.dnswatch.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j3U0Vqrt020065; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from null@dnswatch.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by fast.dnswatch.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id j3U0VopH020064; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:31:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from null@dnswatch.com) X-Authentication-Warning: fast.dnswatch.com: www set sender to null@dnswatch.com using -f Received: from ns0.1command.com ([216.177.243.38]) (DNSwatch.com_WebMail authenticated user null) by webmail.dnswatch.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1359.216.177.243.38.1114821110.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> In-Reply-To: <42729FBF.8010800@cordula.ws> References: <57436.216.177.243.42.1114582155.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050426233321.084e9210@cobalt.antimatter.net> <51899.216.177.243.42.1114584317.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <6.1.0.6.2.20050427001118.0327cd50@cobalt.antimatter.net> <52515.216.177.243.42.1114586501.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <61359.216.177.243.35.1114722481.localmail@webmail.dnswatch.com> <20050429105416.GA94049@wedge.madpilot.net> <42729FBF.8010800@cordula.ws> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 17:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "/dev/null" To: "cpghost" User-Agent: DNSwatch.com_WebMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot banner project X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:32:11 -0000 FWIW, the project *intends* to make itself an *option*, not something that that needs to be disabled - which I think would be irresponsible in this case. -Chris H. > John Sconiers wrote: > >>Adding less then a meg here or there is not bloat. >> > It is a mistake to assume that memory is cheap and always easily > available and/or upgradable. There are quite a lot of embedded > systems out there, that run FreeBSD out-of-the-box, without the > need to tweak or manually remove all that unnecessary eye candy. > Such systems come with RAM soldered on-board, so they are > impossible to upgrade. > > If you really want a GUIfied installer (and please remember that > some hardware like Soekris boxes don't even have VGA circuitery!), > then please only as a port (that would create a custom boot image), > or as an optional add-on. The default install should still be possible > over serial line and on striped down hardware. > > The same holds true for boot banners: not every hardware out there > has hires graphics capabilities. > > Regards, > -cpghost. > > -- > Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////// If only Western Electric had found a way to offer binary licenses for the UNIX system back in 1974, the UNIX system would be running on all PC's today rather than DOS/Windows. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////