From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Sep 28 17:20:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECFD37B401 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shipka.solar.com.br (shipka.solar.com.br [200.199.212.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7EBF43ED1 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:19:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbrummer@solar.com.br) Received: (qmail 7281 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 21:19:44 -0300 Received: from 200-181-93-049-bsace7011.dsl.telebrasilia.net.br (HELO compaq) (200.181.93.49) by shipka.solar.com.br with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 21:19:44 -0300 Reply-To: From: "Bernardo M. Brummer" To: Subject: RE: questions-digest V5 #1647 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:19:26 -0300 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:46:12 -0700 From: "C T" Subject: I need some help... To whom it may concern, My name is Craig and I am in the process of forming a non-profit organization that takes old computers (286's etc...), setting them up for email, word processing, internet browsing, spread sheets, and them giving them to people who can't afford computers. One of my obstacles is finding an OS package similar to MS-DOS, but doesn't cost money. Does FreeBSD distribute something simple that would operate on older machines? Thank you, Craig To do that in a 286 is possible (except for internet browsing). I used Coherent from Mark William Co. (doesn't exits anymore) before 386BSD came out, it uses UUCP for mailing and file interchange. It runs nicely in 286 with 1MB (holds up to 4 serial terms) but I don't think anyone would want to learn it for everyday use (microemacs, vi, mail, etc.). Older machines, with less than, say 4 or 8MB, could use a Freedos, with an old word processor, a spreadsheet and a term emulator, and would connect as dumb text terminals, into a FreeBSD server where pine and lynx (text apps) could be used to access the internet. Cheers, Bernardo Page 6 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:21:22 -0500 From: SweeTLeaF Subject: packages for rc2 Hello , are there any 4.7rc2 packages as i cant find them? only the rc1 dir for 4.7 has packages..... I was wanting to add windowmaker to my 4.7rc2 system and tried the packages from the rc1 rel as i mentioned there are none for rc2....and it did not work with several failed to install deps. errors. did not even install the wm package. i sure was hopping the official 4.7 rel. was going to be a couple days early..just in time for the weekend. :) - -- Best regards, SweeTLeaF mailto:SweeTLeaF@myrealbox.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:26:18 -0600 From: "Samuel Chow" Subject: Re: updating by copying /usr/obj and /usr/src not working > I used to be able to update systems by making world on a fast machine, then > copying the /usr/obj and /usr/src that resulted from that update directly to > other slower systems and just doing a make installworld and make > installkernel. > > Recently however, when I attempt this, the install fails with something > about problems in the /usr/lib dir (I think). You should still be able to do that. I routinely NFS mount /usr/src and /usr/obj from my build box to installworld and installkernel. You might want to show your error messages so that other to help you with the problem. - --- Samuel Chow cyschow@shaw.ca This message is displayed using recycled electrons. Segmentation Fault (core dumped) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:45:09 +0000 From: "mufassa bendover" Subject: Again: There must be a better way Listen Guys.... As a girl...I dont want to deal with that hard stuff. But also if I install windows in my box, I will have to fix it probably at the end of the month (girls hate fixing things). So is there anyway you guys can solve problems for notonly me, but other girls who have the same problem. Thanks for the e-mails and suggesions for how to mount a cdrom, but that wasnt my point. Because you guys are very hard core in programming, you guys could make a better interface for this Os, which is so easy that even my parents could use. When you combine easines and stability together...people will buy your product desperately. you dont know hopefully you will wipe out Microsoft. NOTE: Linux is not the solution because there are too many dist compatibilty issues for dist to dist. ----Jessica Olaya _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2002 19:05:12 -0700 From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Subject: Re: Filesystem Question Giorgos Keramidas writes: > Somewhere near: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/mount_std/mount_std.c I didn't see *CURRENT* in the huge menu of releases, but I now see that it's called "MAIN" there. And with cvsup it's called "HEAD". Remarkable. (But I'll restrain myself.) Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:19:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Danny Pansters Subject: Please don't bite again -- it gets worse and worse lately --- Re: Again: There must be a better way Please, As a reader and sometimes off-list responder on our FreeBSD lists, all I can say is that they're useful, and that it is of course polluted by spam and pranksters subscribing the list to other lists and last but not least by trolls, but they are is still _very_ useful. Keep it that way and minimize useless responses. Certainly when it's obvious trolls. Please just don't bite and let it go. One reasonable hint is if the reply-to address contains aol.com, by the way. Unfortunately this ain't no rule of thumb. Thanks, DaN - -- if replying please do so to danny@ricin.com not this Yahoo account. Thank you. - -- Ricin Radio! http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/180/ricin_radio.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:22:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Aleksander@Fafula.eu.org Subject: Official web page of Polish users. Hello. Please explain me, if we as a team who made two largest Polish web sites about FreeBSD [www.bsdzine.org and www.freebsd.okey.pl], could get from you a subdomain for official web site of Polish users. We want to translate docs, faqs etc. There is a quite big number of us, and we would like to establish one efficient community here in Poland. There are mirrors like www.pl.FreeBSD.org etc. We have enought materials ready and under construction to fill almost whole site, all of course in Polish language. Please answer us and tell what you think about it. We can first make the whole page. Then give it to you to approve it and after good opinions from your side establish domain name etc. That, listed in your docs, www.freebsd.org.pl is a very poor one. Nothing is complete there, you can easly check what are the documents like. Almost nobody uses it right now. It doesn't explain nothing. Reading this incomplete web page is not helping FreeBSD to be more widely used. We are waiting for soon answer. Kind regard from Poland. Polish FreeBSD docs team. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:20:11 -0400 (EDT) From: John Bleichert Subject: Re: Bus error (core dumped) when running pkg_add On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Sren Neigaard wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:44:57 +0200 > From: Sren Neigaard > To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Bus error (core dumped) when running pkg_add > > If I try to run pkg_add on either a tbz file, tgz file or without > specifying any file, it core dumps. Here is the message: > > Bus error (core dumped) > Sep 27 21:41:06 neigaard /kernel: pid 110 (pkg_add), uid 0: exited on > signal 10 > (core dumped) > > What is this, is it a hardware error? I dont seem to have any other > problems, and I have just installed this 4.6.2 on this machine without > any problems. > > Please help, I don't know what to do. > Since no-one jumped in on this... A bus error is similar to a segfault, I believe. It means an app tried to access some memory outside it's accessible range or tried to access an array element outside the array's dimensions - something of that sort. I believe a 'bus' error means accessing a stack frame not owned by the app, or a bad access inside an owned stack frame? The pkg_* tools are pretty widely used and tested. This being the case I'd guess this may be a hardware error, possibly bad RAM? This is speculation at best. Possibly re-compile pkg_add with debug support and run it in a debugger or try some different memory? Which FBSD version are you runnnig? Arent there issues with the pkg_* tools and the tbz/tgz file types at the moment? Dunno, maybe you found a bug ? ;-) Good luck! JB # John Bleichert # http://vonbek.dhs.org/latest.jpg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:46:12 -0700 From: "C T" Subject: I need some help... To whom it may concern, My name is Craig and I am in the process of forming a non-profit organization that takes old computers (286's etc...), setting them up for email, word processing, internet browsing, spread sheets, and them giving them to people who can't afford computers. One of my obstacles is finding an OS package similar to MS-DOS, but doesn't cost money. Does FreeBSD distribute something simple that would operate on older machines? Thank you, Craig _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2002 21:09:41 -0700 From: Ken McGlothlen Subject: Re: I need some help... "C T" writes: | [...] I am in the process of forming a non-profit organization that takes old | computers (286's etc...), setting them up for email, word processing, | internet browsing, spread sheets, and them giving them to people who can't | afford computers. | | One of my obstacles is finding an OS package similar to MS-DOS, but doesn't | cost money. | | Does FreeBSD distribute something simple that would operate on older | machines? Nothing that works on '286s---only '386s and later. You might be better off working with something that more closely emulates MS-DOS. Check this out. http://www.freedos.org/ And good luck. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 23:45:08 -0500 (CDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Enrique=20Morfin?= Subject: Questions Hi! I just install freebsd to try it, maybe to change it. I have always use linux, so maybe i'm doing something wrong. Where can i configure the default desktop for users?(maybe KDE or GNOME) How can i start or stop daemons? (httpd for example) How can i deactivate skey passwd for remote login? (I commented in pam, but still ask me skey passwd) sendmail is running, but i can't send or recive mail, never mind if i use the default sendmail.cf or i modify it. what can i do? I'm forgotting something? How can i prevent a daemon for start at boot time? I have to delete it from /usr/local/etc/rc.d/? thanks, maybe i return with more questions _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? La emocin e intensidad del deporte en Yahoo! Deportes. http://deportes.yahoo.com.mx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:53:24 -0700 From: Nathan Kinkade Subject: Re: I need some help... On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:46:12 -0700 "C T" wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > My name is Craig and I am in the process of forming a non-profit > organization that takes old computers (286's etc...), setting them up > for email, word processing, internet browsing, spread sheets, and them > giving them to people who can't afford computers. > > One of my obstacles is finding an OS package similar to MS-DOS, but > doesn't cost money. > > Does FreeBSD distribute something simple that would operate on older > machines? > > Thank you, > Craig Craig, I volunteer at an organization here in Portland, OR that generally does what you are describing. It is called FreeGeek (www.freegeek.org). FreeGeek usually recycles anything less than a Pentium (i.e. 286, 386, 486). The current processor specification for computers that are put back out into the community are Pentium 166MHz-233MHz. The full specs are at http://www.freegeek.org/freekbox.html. Believe it or not, we seem to receive plenty of donated machines that fall into this range. FreeGeek is currently installing Debian Linux on these machines. Trust me when I tell you that even a P166 with 80MB RAM (72 pin SIMMs) is just fast enough to make X, Mozilla and a few other applications run reasonably. Of course, if you plan to put out non-graphical, text only, console basesd machines then a lower spec may work for you. In any case, if you plan to run X and any sort of browser you probably don't want to go below a P100, and even this is pushing it a bit. I've talked to a few people at FreeGeek about getting FreeBSD on some of the boxes, but they are too firmly entrenched in Linux. Good luck, Nathan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 00:54:10 -0500 From: Bryan Cassidy Subject: xterm and colors I have read a few threads on bsdforums.org about settings the colors for xterm when i use the "ls" command. I tried what people said to do but came up with nothing. They really didn't specify to clear how to do this. When I use the "ls -G" command I get color in xterm while in X. How do i set the colors so when I just use "ls" I get the color directories and the rest of colors? I just want the basic colors that I can get without having to do alot of configuring. I think it just makes it a little easier to view things in the terminal when you have a little color to go on. Maybe its me but it makes it easier on me so any help would be appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 07:50:48 +0200 From: Jens Rehsack Subject: Re: Upgrading ports from sources outside ports tree "Inge Thorin Eidsther" wrote: > > Hi all! > > General question: > Does anyone know how to upgrade a port when the latest sources are > available on the net, but haven't made it into the ports tree yet? > > Example: > I need to rebuild mod_php4 (for Apache2) from the latest sources, > because of a bug that (among other things) causes the file_exists > function in php 4.2.3 to work incorrectly. The bug has been fixed > in the latest sources, but these are (as far as I can tell) not > in the FreeBSD ports tree yet. > > Is there some manual way to do it that does not require me to be > an experienced programmer? I tried renaming the source tarball to > that of the old one, and build with NO_CHECKSUM=yes > (and WITH_APACHE2=yes), but the thing blew up complaining about > patches that failed to apply cleanly. Your main problem is, that the PHP4-dev (cvs snapshot) requires libtool 1.4, but there's only 1.3 in ports tree. If you really want to do this, write to a php4-support list. There is a php4-developer, derick@php.net, he is a very cooperatively person, he runs php4-dev under FreeBSD, maybe he can help you. > BTW: I know about portupgrade, but I guess it's not relevant here. Yes, that's right ... > Thanks for your kind help! Hope this helps a little ... Bye, Jens - -- L i W W W i Jens Rehsack L W W W L i W W W W i nnn gggg LiWing IT-Services L i W W W W i n n g g LLLL i W W i n n g g Friesenstrae 2 gggg 06112 Halle g g g Tel.: +49 - 3 45 - 5 17 05 91 ggg e-Mail: Fax: +49 - 3 45 - 5 17 05 92 http://www.liwing.de/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:18:14 -0500 From: "Charles Pelletier" Subject: Re: I need some help... quite honestly, i think you are wasting your time working with 286's. even people who can't afford computers know better than to use a pre Pentium machine. while you do have a noble cause in mind, you must realize that 286's, even with tweaking, can hardly even run DOS, let alone connect to the modern internet. good luck, but you're better using anything less than a 486 as a step stool or paperweight. - --charlie pelletier - --litmus(mp3.com/litmus) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Kinkade" To: "C T" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: I need some help... > On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 20:46:12 -0700 > "C T" wrote: > > > To whom it may concern, > > > > My name is Craig and I am in the process of forming a non-profit > > organization that takes old computers (286's etc...), setting them up > > for email, word processing, internet browsing, spread sheets, and them > > giving them to people who can't afford computers. > > > > One of my obstacles is finding an OS package similar to MS-DOS, but > > doesn't cost money. > > > > Does FreeBSD distribute something simple that would operate on older > > machines? > > > > Thank you, > > Craig > > > Craig, > > I volunteer at an organization here in Portland, OR that generally does > what you are describing. It is called FreeGeek (www.freegeek.org). > FreeGeek usually recycles anything less than a Pentium (i.e. 286, 386, > 486). The current processor specification for computers that are put > back out into the community are Pentium 166MHz-233MHz. The full specs > are at http://www.freegeek.org/freekbox.html. Believe it or not, we > seem to receive plenty of donated machines that fall into this range. > FreeGeek is currently installing Debian Linux on these machines. Trust > me when I tell you that even a P166 with 80MB RAM (72 pin SIMMs) is just > fast enough to make X, Mozilla and a few other applications run > reasonably. Of course, if you plan to put out non-graphical, text only, > console basesd machines then a lower spec may work for you. In any > case, if you plan to run X and any sort of browser you probably don't > want to go below a P100, and even this is pushing it a bit. I've talked > to a few people at FreeGeek about getting FreeBSD on some of the boxes, > but they are too firmly entrenched in Linux. > > Good luck, > Nathan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:30:35 +1000 From: Duncan Anker Subject: Re: sendmail: File descriptors missing on startup: stderr; Bad file descriptor On Friday, Sep 27, 2002, at 23:03 Australia/Brisbane, Dan Langille wrote: > I keep seeing this in /var/log/maillog but do not know the cause: > > sendmail[42390]: File descriptors missing on startup: stderr; Bad > file descriptor > > I'm on FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE #0: Thu Sep 26 09:02:16 EDT 2002 with > sendmail 8.12.5 > > Any ideas on cause/fix? I believe Dan has solved his problem, however I ran into this one recently and a scour of Google suggested that this can also be caused by a misbehaving hard drive. So if other folks are seeing this, try an fsck. I believe this is the source of my problem, since my disk is bad. However, the file system is still dirty and I can't take the box offline to fix it yet, so I don't know if it's just a coincidence. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:53:53 -0400 From: Kirk Bailey Subject: Another Apache CGI problem I run apache with FreeBSD, and have an interesting issue. I can do exec '