From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Apr 19 6:43:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989D037BCAC for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 06:43:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA39031; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200004191343.JAA39031@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: distfiles no longer on 4.0 CDs In-Reply-To: <200004191313.PAA25919@matrix.42.org> from Stefan `Sec` Zehl at "Apr 19, 2000 3:13:32 pm" To: sec@42.org (Stefan `Sec` Zehl) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > That's bad. I was aware that the CVS tree was kicked off (and i can live with > that, as long as the release-source keeps beeing included.) > > But loosing the distfiles is just plain bad. This saved me so much download > time. I hope they will be back on one of the next releases. > Many of us would like to see them back, I'm sure. The majority of users use packages, however. Unlike FreeBSD itself the CDs are a commercial product, and have to pander to the tastes of the masses. It sounds like the Toolkit is going to be the desired "super-release": packages plus distfiles plus OS, plus any commercial demos and other goodies. It's all a question of what you want, and what you're willing to pay for. The thing to remember hereq is that there's a difference between FreeBSD and Walnut Creek (now BSDi). BSDi is simply a commercial company, out to make money like any other. They just happen to be making that cash by support us, the users and developers of FreeBSD. The fact that they plow a good chunk of their profits back into FreeBSD is lucky for us (smart on their part, yes, but lucky for us as well). Jordan is in a difficult spot, being both a BSDi employee and the FreeBSD release coordinator. He wants to do what's right for both. I don't like not getting distfiles, but I don't like any of the other choices any better. ;) I'd pay for distfiles. You'd pay for distfiles. Most people want packages, so packages are what gets put on the commercial CD. Perhaps you, I, and others like us, need to unsub from the vanilla FreeBSD subscription, and pick up a Toolkit subscription? It'll cost more, but we'll get more. ==ml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message