From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 21:43:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D3316A4D2; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:43:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pittgoth.com (14.zlnp1.xdsl.nauticom.net [209.195.149.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC4E43D49; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:43:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (64-144-75-100.client.dsl.net [64.144.75.100]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2Lhdag055114 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:43:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:43:45 -0500 From: Tom Rhodes To: Marc Fonvieille Message-ID: <20041202164345.37810501@localhost> In-Reply-To: <20041202211932.GF78684@abigail.blackend.org> References: <20041128202656.GL750@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041129060320.GA26868@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20041129185546.GA74655@freebsdmall.com> <20041202204413.GN753@zaphod.nitro.dk> <20041202205407.GD78684@abigail.blackend.org> <20041202160526.7ea90d78@localhost> <20041202211932.GF78684@abigail.blackend.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12b (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Nik Clayton cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org cc: Murray Stokely cc: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Doc BoF at EuroBSDCon X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:43:41 -0000 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:19:32 +0100 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:05:26PM -0500, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > > > > > > > OBJDIR was broken way before mirrors.xml. Also, I'm not really > > > > talking about starting on a clean slate. Of course parts of the the > > > > current buildsystem is just fine, but others are just a mess. > > > > > > > > > > I can confirm that, since I'm guilty of this OBJDIR issue. It's not > > > possible to "easily" fix it without changing a lot of things, so it's > > > better to start a rewrite from zero. > > > > Which is a lot of work, I think everyone agrees on that. But > > we can do it. There is a handful of smart and well meaning > > committers here who I feel, if given more time and pointed in > > a direction of "what we should do" will come through perfectly. > > > > Right now all we have been doing is bouncing around doing > > whatever. There is just no real sense of direction. > > > > Some of us and I gave in past some requirements and some ways to fix it, > it should be available in the archives. > I spent some times trying to fix it in a clean way, I gave up cause of > lack of time. The change I did to the build allowed localized PDF > version of docs to use en_US and localized images, before this change it > was impossible to do that and to have images, so I had 2 choices: > > - backing out the change and users of OBJDIR would be happy and waiting > for someone to take care of the localized PDF issue in a better way > (this could take months or years) > - keeping the change and offering to a lot of non-english readers the > chance to be able to read/use/download a localised PDF version of the > translated Handbooks > > You know my choice. If people really want to back out my change, let's > do it, but I still think the most important "thing" is the fact we can > offer the doc to people that do not read english. Would be nice, but are you sure you can't come up with a better solution? -- Tom Rhodes