From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 12:11:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A3E1065673 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:11:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.89]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351298FC16 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from [128.205.32.76] (bauer.cse.buffalo.edu [128.205.32.76]) (authenticated bits=0) by phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu (8.14.1/8.13.7) with ESMTP id mBACAqas097654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:10:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu) From: Ken Smith To: Kevin Day In-Reply-To: <55FAF790-6169-42BE-9285-1217C3284CDB@dragondata.com> References: <1228753517.56532.25.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <55FAF790-6169-42BE-9285-1217C3284CDB@dragondata.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-sByCOEQUj+W5+mP05QY1" Organization: U. Buffalo CSE Department Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:10:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1228911052.57305.15.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-DCC-Buffalo.EDU-Metrics: phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu 1029; Body=0 Fuz1=0 Fuz2=0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on phoebe.cse.buffalo.edu Cc: freebsd-stable Stable Subject: Re: visibility of release process X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:11:01 -0000 --=-sByCOEQUj+W5+mP05QY1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2008-12-09 at 15:19 -0600, Kevin Day wrote: [ Other points were not ignored, just nothing to really say about them other than "Yes" and/or "Will try", etc. ] > * More notice to hubs@ before the release notes are generated. The =20 > releases always come with a "At the time of this writing, these =20 > mirrors have the full distribution" list. If it was announced to us =20 > mirror operators before that list is made, we could make sure we were =20 > synced in time to be included. Maybe even a semi-shaming of "These =20 > mirrors do not appear to have the required bits:". The difference in =20 > bandwidth we see on our public mirror (ftp3.us) is pretty extreme if =20 > we're listed there or not, which seems to be a 50/50 coin-toss on the =20 > last few releases. I'm honestly not sure why, since we can easily pull =20 > >50mbps from ftp-master. I have absolutely no clue how to fairly handle what needs to be done with this so, as you noted, its something of a coin toss at the moment. The issue is that the Release Announcement needs to include a list of FTP sites, but the list can't be "too long" (as in can't be every mirror site we've got). The Release Announcement should be relatively short and to the point. An exhaustive list of every mirror is a bit too much in that regard. Ideally we'd just say "Its available on a mirror site, get it from there.". But people want easy so we need to include something to click on. With the 7.0 release I tried giving just the URL of the primary site (ftp.freebsd.org) but that proved people don't just want easy - they're lazy. For the most part they just clicked on that and didn't look around for a mirror. Hence your observation about the difference in bandwidth when you're listed versus when you're not listed. Since we don't have any sort of "click here and automagically land on a nice fast mirror real close to you" I basically make a quick survey of some FTP sites shooting for having several of the primary mirror sites (ftpX.freebsd.org) and a sampling of geographically diverse country mirrors (ftpX.au.freebsd.org, ftpX.ru.freebsd.org, etc.). If you're one of the ones I check and if you've got the right sparc64 checksum file (I'm looking for sites that carry everything, and since sparc64 is usually the last to get loaded on ftp-master ...) you make the list. Sorry, I know it sucks. Until we've got something automagic I'm not quite sure how to fairly handle having a list that's not "too long" for a release announcement but still providing a reasonable starting point for people who want something to click on in the release announcement. --=20 Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | --=-sByCOEQUj+W5+mP05QY1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkk/scMACgkQ/G14VSmup/b9nwCdGDBjTDQX5FaiivcnvwjJYWNI hd4AniLV9yt1BEJMusr2zp8kWcB1fNcZ =VoWo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-sByCOEQUj+W5+mP05QY1--