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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:14:42 -0800 References: <0951FC29-33B6-406C-A10C-F61B0BF2CD1C@yahoo.com> To: freebsd-ppc , Current FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <0951FC29-33B6-406C-A10C-F61B0BF2CD1C@yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.40.0.2.32) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DFmcn2ydWz4pkh X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.48 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.983]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[98.137.64.32:from]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[98.137.64.32:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.64.32:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.64.32:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 23:14:50 -0000 On 2021-Jan-12, at 13:11, Mark Millard wrote: > PowerMac G5's and G4's with not much in them or connected to them = report: >=20 > WARNING: Device "openfirm" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. > WARNING: Device "kbd" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. >=20 > There is also, using and example G4 that I have access to, >=20 > WARNING: Device "agp" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. > WARNING: Device "consolectl" is Giant locked and may be deleted before = FreeBSD 13.0. >=20 > There could be more than I'm reporting. Such warnings are from > post-git-conversion builds that I've done (given the lack of > artifacts.ci.freebsd.org materials to test with). >=20 > The 13 "Code slush" started on 2021-Jan-08. stable/13 is scheduled > to branch on 2021-Jan-22. >=20 > What is the intended status for these old powerc64 and 32-bit > powerpc machines, given that the Giant use still exists? Intended > status for 13? For 14? >=20 > (There may be other types of issues that I'm not thinking of > as well.) >=20 It turns out that the below was apparently dealt with in 13-CURRENT's -r362406 ( 37f530582dc5 ). > Another that used to happen on both G5's and G4's that I have/had > access to: >=20 > WARNING: Device "powermac_nvram" is Giant locked and may be deleted = before FreeBSD 13.0. >=20 > I'm unsure if this one is modal in some way and it I happen to > be using a mode that avoided the usage. (I do not normally run an > unpatched FreeBSD on old PowerMacs as well.) >=20 powermac_nvram had its Giant lock use removed/replaced, no modal issue is involved. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar)