From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Dec 20 16:15:10 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC98134BDC3 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 231F587255; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.67.125.17]) by shaw.ca with ESMTPA id a0yRgV1H882Yca0ySghfNY; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 09:15:02 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=NNSrBHyg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:117 a=VFtTW3WuZNDh6VkGe7fA3g==:17 a=2ur7OfE09M0A:10 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=p4XUK5SDVfPnt27tRYcA:9 a=FSGolYVeKPdIFara:21 a=h9UTF4u5UCuVk_Hc:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=wvNN6SPy67tmOg9sxBAA:9 a=weGfD7nXmgxa--RW:21 a=JR-hFisgLNLeIg_q:21 a=hA-yDGspqyyArEbn:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from [25.81.116.22] (S0106788a207e2972.gv.shawcable.net [70.66.154.233]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84CC2177E; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 08:14:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Cy Schubert Subject: RE: The future of ZFS in FreeBSD Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 08:15:01 -0800 To: Alexey Dokuchaev , "Eugene M. Zheganin" CC: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Message-Id: <20181220161458.84CC2177E@spqr.komquats.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJr2T2NCLp2Wj7KeRSA3gGQe/J53C2nLBUyQQGnoWrCg/uwiHVwY+E1Q1V3BkmJOQbA6lhzqI8bMDDXHP1BOPsSs+l07OrCCDT74o+9ACFLUXSEMAYXM LV7eLHjopdJffJFj886s6ZNKs1IivJJqkn85poz0nSPlR43QtxWHYckr7kCx44Wn1g1YXG3d60LJDZNB9/PBpyHxy4HJhtCLRiCY2slWs3ESYE2aQu/VZfCg DEATRcT0SQ/sKQLj3jd5mQ== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 231F587255 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.83 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-1.70)[ip: (-3.81), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-2.57), asn: 6327(-2.05), country: CA(-0.09)]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; URI_COUNT_ODD(1.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.918,0]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[139.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 16:15:10 -0000 I suspect the idea is to contribute the FreeBSD bits back to ZoL. My question is, how much of a base does ZoL really have? The enterprise pla= yers with any significant market share won't touch it -- Ubuntu has but IMO= they're a niche player (who has violated GPL by including CDDL in their ke= rnel. The next step should be throwing up a wiki page with a features todo list. = Also, this is a large enough project to have its own project branch, with t= he goal of having it in head before 13 goes GA. I also think people will no= t accept regressions or other POLA violations. --- Sent using a tiny phone keyboard. Apologies for any typos and autocorrect. Also, this old phone only supports top post. Apologies. Cy Schubert or The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few. --- -----Original Message----- From: Alexey Dokuchaev Sent: 20/12/2018 06:40 To: Eugene M. Zheganin Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The future of ZFS in FreeBSD On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 03:49:38PM +0500, Eugene M. Zheganin wrote: > On 19.12.2018 23:32, Allan Jude wrote: > > The biggest thing to remember is that this is still OpenZFS, and still > > run by the same developers as it has been. We are just commonizing on > > the repo that has the most features integrated into it. >=20 > Does it mean that ZoF and thus FreeBSD will lose NFSv4 ACLs because > there is no such thing in ZoL? +1. I'm also worried if this would bring more Linuxish bits into our kernel (cf. LinuxKPI). Also, I thought that ZFS was never really native to Linux but implemented through SPL (Solaris Porting Layer), and Linux' VFS is not ARC-aware unlike Solaris and FreeBSD. It would be quite upsetting to see ZFS as we know it in FreeBSD become pessimized because of those things. :-( ./danfe _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"