From owner-freebsd-arch Wed Feb 12 15:35:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C5637B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:35:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CA843FB1 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1CNYm1o024326; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:34:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1CNYmo5017937; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:34:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1CNYmLF017936; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:34:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:34:48 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Wes Peters Cc: Garrett Wollman , arch@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: syslog.conf syntax change (multiple program/host specifications) Message-ID: <20030212233448.GA12939@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030210114930.GB90800@melusine.cuivre.fr.eu.org> <200302120632.36583.wes@softweyr.com> <200302121411.h1CEBRSe025071@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <200302121521.33506.wes@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302121521.33506.wes@softweyr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:21:33PM +0000, Wes Peters wrote: > > > > I don't think either of these is truly a useful answer, particularly > > for something like syslog which is already straining for a more > > expressive syntax. There are just too many little languages in the > > system already, each one subtly different in syntax, such that it's > > nearly impossible to do anything programmatic with them that isn't > > built in to the program that they configure. > > So you're preferring the software over the human operator. In my world > view, that is completely whacked. Not in mine. Human operators don't share the same preferences and/or opinions. One cannot ever create something that is liked by all human operators. The inherent contradiction makes it a very difficult (dare I say impossible) group to please. I therefore prefer something that people can use as a building block, which automaticly gives preference to software and/or automation... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arch" in the body of the message