From owner-freebsd-virtualization@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 7 03:02:26 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60E8EB03 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 03:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-x22e.google.com (mail-pd0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35E4415C4 for ; Fri, 7 Feb 2014 03:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id z10so2527618pdj.5 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:02:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CpozFJeuDIt/O4UCP+Ynp29ZXAB6y13UvhT9wP+Qn3Y=; b=eDQMDRGHhB96oMuk1vnOgY9Idxrp0gXHjOKd/xmbpMsbjHPcxd5n8jatle16kETaiV ReC8KJJ1qh3KPCLF7rPW/5BzR1Bg0zgKFcDHEEM/61ES5IQFo4sKrR0SsoWXSZqDF7c9 vrFPIXv74JxKo8DT7EqiqMmsmxIPvxO1FtP3O2k5X+Rb207Z5oBI79Nn/Mi3WQQIntTW r5LQj7zMg0FEz9gXJiiUG6joEFTgP9+J+PYudrQwXy7y5KK47zF2I0f5eBO5ARaTzWDA RCCo3FCO86dIs0so2Mvf0EaouMH5k/SvkWbS4C1n//c9dtGrlROPDXHUI8FdA/75w1fs 0rxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.230.137 with SMTP id sy9mr16580182pbc.126.1391742145325; Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.155.38 with HTTP; Thu, 6 Feb 2014 19:02:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52F3E0F9.8040504@callfortesting.org> References: <52F3B69B.6030706@pix.net> <52F3E0F9.8040504@callfortesting.org> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 22:02:25 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: CFT: Very rough draft of PetiteCloud 0.2.4 (Linux as a host) From: Aryeh Friedman To: Michael Dexter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 Cc: "freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 03:02:26 -0000 Michael Dexter wrote: > Please hesitate before you write and determine if this is the > correct list and your post is in accordance with the above > policies. 1. We still have not received any guidance on what sort of CFT's (if any) are allowed on -virtualization@ for open-source projects that aim to be FreeBSD ports. 1. The actual message you were taking issue with above was primarily a public thanks to someone for giving us a possible solution to a problem we had. I also made the off-topic "announcement" you objected to for the purpose of updating the -virtualization@ list on our progress in creating our own alternative to using -virtualization@ as our preferred communication channel as requested by you and John Baldwin. > and my personal favorite, a request for a bhyve developer to sign > an NDA to see these. The NDA request was NOT posted on the -virtualization@ list; that was in a private email from Aryeh Friedman to Peter Grehan and him alone, way back in early August 2013. Peter immediately rejected all private communication and directed Aryeh to post everything to the -virtualization@ list. We concluded that Peter was right that everything should be open knowledge. Anyhow, we agree that -virtualization@ should not be the place for discussion of cloud computing because it crosses so many disciplines it does not fully fit into any currently-existing FreeBSD list. For that reason, we again suggest making a -cloud@ list. Until then, -virtualization@seems to us to be the closest-to-suitable option, though far from a perfect fit.