From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 29 19:38:52 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA42A950 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from new1-smtp.messagingengine.com (new1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2031BA3 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D1E1E7F for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:38:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; h= content-type:to:subject:references:date:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:message-id:in-reply-to; s= mesmtp; bh=Lu24huJ1ML24QU5vij/HWwnpr38=; b=CbdxUho8OBSgwUvCvfMlm L8w3PCgkinNy/2feDJ2asRj97/x7+rKjKtP0MDbjI9K+lc9PtcVmAnmYEOTDDCtt nH076cFuypEnkcbxAK005O8TF/bDd9CpWCqHZkXpBUMnSZ1k+jp8gOBFlrrkLrFN wvShefIAY46ozY9JWd20Sw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:to:subject:references:date :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:from:message-id :in-reply-to; s=smtpout; bh=Lu24huJ1ML24QU5vij/HWwnpr38=; b=m1H7 mlfWKUoRuVfIXFA1XGW8ZnqVx2Nx3nh/IvO5sJizpnXTK89lDvj0CdovhDMYuMmQ MZx4jweXmuoipfNlVNw6UqNtua5exRBa1BExFCeuHpwaXSGjL0y24Pa04n/Zf22c giN3PFjbO3MKzn9g6/KUKEP7/r03xcSnKc+DXKk= X-Sasl-enc: ip3ULo8SKezjCCSReDUSDryVf/uE518fWC2G59UKPxlk 1367264320 Received: from tech304.office.supranet.net (unknown [66.170.8.18]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D33AEC80008 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Light humour References: <517CE158.3000006@freebsd.org> <517D55A9.4060806@zoho.com> <20130429174341.GC47072@cicely7.cicely.de> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 14:38:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mark Felder" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130429174341.GC47072@cicely7.cicely.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.14 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 19:38:52 -0000 On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:43:41 -0500, Bernd Walter wrote: > Want to know link states use some strange tools. This has been my complaint for ages. Task / BSD / Linux set ip / ifconfig / ifconfig or now "ip" which is extremely confusing wifi / ifconfig / iwconfig speed / ifconfig / miitool or ethtool duplex / ifconfig / miitool or ethtool vlan / ifconfig / vlan wol / ifconfig / miitool or ethtool bridge / ifconfig / brctl link aggregation / ifconfig / flags while loading module OR use distro network config scripts and restart *all* networking or reboot server!!! Zero guidelines or direction in their projects. It's even more painful when you install a distro and need to set vlan or duplex and you can't because the utility needs to be installed from the repository. Not sure if that's still commonplace but I was bit by it several times with debian installs. BSD has its own problems, but code quality and the thought put into design seems to be taken into serious consideration before something is committed to HEAD.