Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:06:12 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille <blackend@freebsd.org> To: Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> Cc: freebsd-www@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Huge fixed-width fonts on web mailing list archive Message-ID: <20051105110612.GB600@gothic.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20051105014541.GA15904@flame.pc> References: <200511030125.jA31PLrJ023110@bright.research.att.com> <20051104103619.GB602@gothic.blackend.org> <20051104124921.01f8d98d@localhost> <436B80B4.6080107@freebsd.org> <20051104173806.GK602@gothic.blackend.org> <20051104232616.GB2289@flame.pc> <436BFF8D.1050502@freebsd.org> <20051105014541.GA15904@flame.pc>
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On Sat, Nov 05, 2005 at 03:45:41AM +0200, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: [...] > > http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/freebsd/pre_firefox_win.png > > > > Or Safari: > > > > http://www.emilyboyd.com/design/freebsd/pre_safari_mac.png > > > > As I said, it's now unreadable. > > Then we need to find out why. Increasing the size of *all* <pre> > elements doesn't seem right. The DOM inspector of Firefox shows that > this particular element is: > > HTML > BODY > #containerwrap > #container > #content > pre > > There is no CSS rule applies to its font-size, so this means that on > Windows the font-size of constant-width fonts is smaller than on other > platforms *OR* that this is a side-effect of forcing font-size: 69% for > all of <BODY>. > > Can we please at least try removing the font-size:69% before the > font-size of <pre> elements is increased? I suspect that this 69% size > of <BODY> affects what you see on Windows in a much more visible way > than it does in X11. > > > Until we can work out the proper fix, I would recommend putting it back > > to how it was; having larger (but perfectly readable) fonts in some > > browsers is far better than having tiny fonts in others. > > I don't really like putting it back, but if you insist then it may be > the only choise we have. > > This is a catch-22. If we put it back, then X11 browsers will show > garbage. If we don't put it back, Windows browsers will show garbage. People can click on "Text Size: Large" at the top of the page to get a "proper rendering" for the moment. This is better than get back to "crazy HUGE" font for non-windows/OS X users. > There are perfectly good web pages that don't break because the browser > happens to have a default point size of 12 pt, so either way (putting it > back or not) we _really_ have to track down why it happens and fix the > real bug and not the symptoms. As I said in another mail, our doc/ uses a lot of <pre></pre> without this issue (or at least with readable small fonts). Marc
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