From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 4 4: 5:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B71C37B719 for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 04:05:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f24C52u79418 ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:05:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id NAA32375 ; Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:05:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2001 13:05:01 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Trent Waddington Cc: Brett Glass , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , David Johnson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Stallman stalls again Message-ID: <20010304130501.A32152@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Trent Waddington , Brett Glass , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , David Johnson , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010303132348.04461420@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from s337240@student.uq.edu.au on Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 06:40:14AM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Trent Waddington said on Mar 4, 2001 at 06:40:14: > On Sat, 3 Mar 2001, Brett Glass wrote: > > > Not true! Barlow wasn't involved in computer technology at all until he > > got on the Well and then went to the Hackers' Conference in 1985. By then, > > Stallman was already ranting about GNU. Barlow picked up Stallman's views > > about copyright at that time. (It's also where he met Mitch Kapor.) I > > know; I was an organizer of the conference. > > Dude, the Grateful Dead were popularising tape trading before they were > popular, circa 1973. Well, they didn't permit "bootlegging" and they allowed tape trading only when no money changed hands -- I think that's the policy of the surviving members even today. It's not an anti-copyright stance, imo: it's just a "lets be friendly to the fans" thing, with perhaps the added rationale that people who hear your music in other ways first are more likely to buy your albums later. They do not permit free copying of their released albums, even on a non-profit basis. Nevertheless, I'm not convinced by the argument that Barlow, and everyone else who disagrees with present-day copyright laws, has been somehow brainwashed by Stallman. I don't think he's *that* influential, and I don't think the issues are so trivial that he's the only one interested in raising them. R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message