From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Nov 4 17:19:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from domain.com (44.mujb.dlls.dllstxbk.dsl.att.net [12.98.249.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 220C637B405 for <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>; Sun, 4 Nov 2001 17:19:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 19619 invoked by alias); 5 Nov 2001 01:19:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jason) (12.98.249.42) by 44.mujb.dlls.dllstxbk.dsl.att.net with SMTP; 5 Nov 2001 01:19:47 -0000 Message-ID: <076201c16598$2548d8d0$2af9620c@jason> From: "Jason Halbert" <jason@jason-n3xt.org> To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>, <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Forrest Aldrich" <forrie@forrie.com> References: <002a01c16505$4b6a8b00$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Subject: Re: ADSL with Verizon Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 19:21:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: <freebsd-questions.FreeBSD.ORG> List-Archive: <http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/> (Web Archive) List-Help: <mailto:majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG?subject=help> (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: <mailto:majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG?subject=subscribe%20freebsd-questions> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG?subject=unsubscribe%20freebsd-questions> X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I was pretty sure there was a difference between using a RFC1483 and PPP. The PPP required some sort of login or authorization to get the connection where as with RFC1483 it's just like being on one huge WAN. AT&T doesn't require any sort of login or authorization to get connected and I didn't require such with Verizon. I didn't have to install any kind of software for either. With AT&T you get software you can install for router configuration and management and SNMP. ---- Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Jason Halbert" <jason@jason-n3xt.org>; <freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG>; "Forrest Aldrich" <forrie@forrie.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 01:49 Subject: RE: ADSL with Verizon > There is no difference from the Telco's perspective to a PPP DSL link > than a RFC1483 Bridged link. (note that there's both RFC1483 Bridged > and RFC1483 Routed) There are a great many ISP's out there that provision > PPP DSL on links that are set up to run Bridged, they do this because it's > easier to retrofit their billing systems to think that DSL links are just > fast dialup links. Also there are some switches like the Redback that can > make the DSL link look like a bridged link from the customer perspective > but a PPP link from the ISP perspective. In short there's some real screwy > things out there. > > In our market we provision Verizon DSL all-time bridged links with static > IP numbers. I understand that Verizon.net also provisions Bridged here on > Verizon DSL too, but they do mandate DHCP. But as for other ISP's, who > knows? Certainly, there's much incentive for the large national providers > to force users to run these crappy GUI-type "connection" programs so they > can hose up the user's system and make it difficult for them to switch to > other ISP's. They have been doing this already for years now with dialup. > > Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com > Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide > Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jason Halbert > >Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:32 PM > >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Forrest Aldrich > >Subject: Re: ADSL with Verizon > > > > > >I had Verizon DSL for 2 years. I do not believe they use PPPoE anywhere in > >their network. I'm pretty sure they only use the RFC14xx. It really > >simple getting ADSL working under FreeBSD. If you are capturing an IP with > >DHCP then just use sysinstall to setup your NIC for DHCP and it will get > >the IP every time it starts up. > > > >---- > >Jason > >jason@jason-n3xt.org > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Forrest Aldrich" <forrie@forrie.com> > >To: <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> > >Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 21:17 > >Subject: ADSL with Verizon > > > > > >> > >> I'd like to hear from anyone who's specifically gotten DSL hooked > >> up/working (presumably PPPoE) with FreeBSD under Verizon's network. > >> > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message