From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 24 09:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA03552 for freebsd-newbies-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA03454 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail.siemens.de (salomon.siemens.de [139.23.33.13]) by david.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA12893 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:00:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (daemon@curry.mchp.siemens.de [146.180.31.23]) by mail.siemens.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29154 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:02:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA05328 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:02:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Andre Albsmeier Message-Id: <199807241602.SAA14859@internal> Subject: Re: I'm leaving the FreeBSD scene. In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980724064754.00818e60@mx.serv.net> from Tim Gerchmez at "Jul 24, 98 06:47:54 am" To: fewtch@serv.net (Tim Gerchmez) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:02:21 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi all... > > Well, the last couple days have been "interesting" ones for me. I've > gotten the chance to witness first-hand the various methodologies and > techniques FreeBSD utilizes in releasing a new version of their OS. I've > learned a heck of a lot. Unfortunately, this knowledge will be mostly > useless to me, as I'm leaving the FreeBSD scene entirely, effective now. > Some of you may be relieved, most probably don't care one way or another, > some reading this probably don't know who I am at all. "It's all good," as > far as I'm concerned. > > I'll be maintaining a small 200-meg installation of FreeBSD on my workshop > PC, and will be offering 2.2.6 to people as an OS option when I get my PC > hardware build business going (sometime in the near future). But my > participation in the mailing lists and FreeBSD newsgroups, as well as > correspondence with the core team and developers, is over as of now. Best > of luck to all of you in the future. Without meaning to be or sound nasty, > I think you may need it in the long run. FreeBSD is not following proven > modern software testing methodologies in releasing new versions of their > OS, and this is hazardous, to say the least (at the very least, it will > have the effect of "putting off" newbies trying the OS for the first time, > and slow the growth of FreeBSD). Normally I don't comment mails like this but I don't want the newbies go away from FreeBSD because of this mail. On the other hand, if they get away from FreeBSD (like you) because it is just such a bad and instable OS it has to be accepted, of course. > Perhaps I have it all wrong, and this is the way it's always been done in > the "free software world." I don't care - I don't want any part of it Then don't dare to try Linux... > anymore. I'll be dedicating all 4 gigabytes of my main machine to Windows > 95 (and soon Win98), giving it plenty of room to "spread out." At least You will need them. > Microsoft has a software testing department. Maybe they really have one. But I wonder what they are doing there... > > I've enjoyed my participation especially on the FreeBSD-related Usenet > newsgroups, and will be sorry to be leaving, but I just couldn't stand to > watch all the bumbling and fumbling around as 2.2.7 was "released," and > the 20+ hours of time wasted downloading 2.2.7, which I don't trust my data > to one iota. My personal opinion is that this release will be > unsuccessful anyway; Many people will look on it as a minor bug fix upgrade > due to the version numbering scheme (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7) and not bother to > download it or purchase a CD-ROM. > > Anyway, thanks for an "interesting" and at times enjoyable (also at times > highly disappointing) learning experience. Perhaps a commercial Unix would > be more suited for my purposes (which consist mainly of learning Unix right I wish you good luck in finding one. I am no unix expert and I am no real kernel hacker. But I have to deal with a lot (okay, only 5) commercial unixes, their stability, their bugs, their support and the money we pay for all this stuff. Four of them, I would throw away as soon as possible and the last one still doesn't come close to FreeBSD regarding stability, freeness of bugs and support. I don't want to start mentioning the price. Maybe I am just to stupid, missed the thing entirely or just had bad luck with these five operating systems but you can be sure that they are all widely known and used (their names start with S, H and I :-)) > now), and there's still a slight chance I may give Linux a shot. At least you can get the source code easily so it's easier to find the bugs. But it's free also so it just might not be the right thing for you. > > Best to all, > > Tim > fewtch@serv.net > Same to you, -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message