From owner-freebsd-stable Mon Jun 17 14:51: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8553A37B423 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020617215036.QGDB1547.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:50:36 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5HLoaUw026358; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:50:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g5HLoaTh026357; Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:50:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200206172150.g5HLoaTh026357@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Prince Cc: Mike Tancsa , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATA Atapi 4.6 Release In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617160950.02fbfcd8@popmail.ct.lodgenet.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617112839.030a9ff8@popmail.ct.lodgenet.com > <5.1.0.14.2.20020617160950.02fbfcd8@popmail.ct.lodgenet.com> Comments: In-reply-to John Prince message dated "Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:14:45 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_904903628P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:50:36 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --==_Exmh_904903628P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, John Prince wrote: > Great point. And that was not what I was implying, although it appears that > way.. > I was referencing the problems that were being reported with regards to the A > TA > driver, more specifically problems related to AHA and the ATAPI Interface. > Not other problems.. > Sorry.. > And.. I am not trying to Flame. Just wanted to know why this has not been > addressed.. John-- There's a difference between not addressing a problem and not being able to resolve it in a reasonable time. In this specific case, Soren wasn't able to reproduce the problem. It's pretty hard to come up with a fix for a problem you can't see (not impossible, just very hard). Soren has an extreme lack of time at the present, and it seemed pretty clear that he wouldn't be able to fix whatever the problem is on a timescale compatible with anything resembling our release schedule. Our (RE) choices were basically to back out the entire MFC of the ata(4) system, or to ship it as is. We opted to ship it, because backing out the MFC would have: 1) Required yet another release candidate for testing, 2) lost support for new hardware, and 3) lost Soren's support (in that he indicated he could only support one "version" of the driver). I should also say that some of the RE team saw problems with ATA CDROMs, and others (such as myself) didn't. Although I'm disappointed that Soren wasn't able to fix whatever this problem is, I can't blame him at all for this situation. He's done a excellent job supporting the myriad of ATA hardware out there, and it's just unfortunate that things worked out the way they did. (moderate sarcasm) Let the second-guessing and "Tuesday morning quarterbacking" [1] begin... Bruce. [1] For non-USAns, American football is frequently televised on Monday nights. This phrase refers to viewers' tendencies to show up for work on Tuesday morning saying that their favorite team would have won if only they'd done such-and-so thing differently. --==_Exmh_904903628P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE9Dlms2MoxcVugUsMRAmJJAKCVPAVKi91Z8/JzhBZnBnvzc6purACgo/I4 qWch8eOta1vErq8BUAnO9JE= =RwCm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_904903628P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message